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To: neverdem
H.I.V. causes AIDS. This is not a controversial claim but an established fact, based on more than 20 years of solid science.

Bunkum.

NO causal link between HIV and AIDS has EVER been demonstrated.

None. Ever.

The association between HIV and AIDS is purely definitional, NOT causal.

Logicians are sorely needed in the press and maybe even in Medicine

Moreover, this is not a new phenomenon. Reputible scientists and physicians have been resisting the rush to judgement and the closing off of research into alternative views of this disease for over a decade.

3 posted on 06/03/2006 10:22:45 PM PDT by John Valentine
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To: John Valentine

The CDC has an excellent page called evidence that HIV causes AIDS. http://www.niaid.nih.gov/factsheets/evidhiv.htm

It is not a fact, since nothing in science is. But it is a good theory and it is more than correlational. There is also a causal element. Having one seems to cause the other. Plus, what we know as AIDS existed before the advent of antiretrovirals.

Please, before you discount the theory altogether, go look at the page.


5 posted on 06/03/2006 10:35:48 PM PDT by slightlyovertaxed
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To: John Valentine

What are the viable research options in your opinion?


6 posted on 06/03/2006 10:36:55 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: John Valentine
Maybe the article was written "tongue in cheek". After all, the author did say "It is as certain as the descent of humans from apes".

Of course that isn't the case. Just another schmuck parroting the NYT play book.

7 posted on 06/03/2006 10:40:34 PM PDT by isrul
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To: John Valentine
You mean besides all of this right?

If that doesn't turn your wheel, then you can go directly to the primary literature, and take your case up with them. For example:

HIV Causes AIDS
W. Blattner, R. C. Gallo, H. M. Temin
Science, New Series, Vol. 241, No. 4865 (Jul. 29, 1988), pp. 515-516

How HIV causes AIDS.
Spartalis MA
Journal Of The National Medical Association 1995 Mar; Vol. 87 (3), pp. 171, 173.

HIV causes AIDS: Koch's postulates fulfilled.
O'Brien SJ; Goedert JJ
Current Opinion In Immunology 1996 Oct; Vol. 8 (5), pp. 613-8.

For everybody but the fringe who have offered no alternatives, the debate is over.

10 posted on 06/03/2006 10:50:06 PM PDT by staterightsfirst
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To: John Valentine
Peter Duesberg volunteered in 1992 to be injected with high-titer HIV cultures.

Has he done it yet?

39 posted on 06/04/2006 8:50:20 AM PDT by Jim Noble (And you know what I'm talkin' 'bout!)
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