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Switzerland's Liberal Drug Policy Seems To Work, Study Says
Medical News Today ^
| 02 Jun 2006
| Joe Santangelo
Posted on 06/03/2006 12:37:09 PM PDT by Know your rights
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To: Know your rights
Switzerland? Don't they make clocks there that go "Coo-Coo?"
To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
Of course, I realized this would be your reaction as I wrote it
LOL...Of course you did!
I'll show you my sources for welfare dependency statistics when you show me your source for the stats
I posted no statistics. You railed against the statistics used by the researchers. If you'd like a source for any particular fact I've posted, just ask.
FACT: Decriminalization has not led to an increase in drug use in Switzerland or the Netherlands
If you'd like sources for that fact, I can give you statistics, official quotes or both...Your choice.
.
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posted on
06/04/2006 12:38:07 PM PDT
by
mugs99
(Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
the study was originally published in The Lancet. Which is the definitive source for the hard left on Iraqi civilian casualties.Just because a media outlet calls itself a "medical journal" doesn't means it's above reproach.
How do their articles on Iraqi civilian casualties merit reproach? Just because the left quotes them?
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posted on
06/04/2006 1:40:47 PM PDT
by
Know your rights
(The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard; Mister Da
Nanny-state & libertarian are mutually exclusive.That might have been true, before libertarians allowed themselves to be wholly defined by their pro-drug platform. Now, they seem to be attracting users looking to rationalize their own behavior, instead of consitutionally-minded citizens trying to move America towards a more limited government.
So give us an example of libertarians supporting a nanny-state policy.
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posted on
06/04/2006 1:43:26 PM PDT
by
Know your rights
(The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard; mugs99
"new" users have increased every year, while in Switzerland they have decreased. Again, they're basing these numbers on junkies who seek substitution treatment [...] Their own evidence could just as easily be used to suggest that more people seek treatment in countries where heroin is criminalized than in countries where it is decriminalized.No, differences in drug poplicy between different countries cannot explain changing substitution treatment enrollments within a single country.
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posted on
06/04/2006 1:51:46 PM PDT
by
Know your rights
(The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
To: Vigilanteman
Drug use feeds crimeHigh drug prices, as fueled by drug criminalization, feed crime.
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posted on
06/04/2006 1:55:22 PM PDT
by
Know your rights
(The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
To: Vigilanteman
Well, at least you're willing to kill 'em quick instead of sending them to prison to be tortured by years of rape.
I guess that's compassion, of some sort.
To: philman_36
God save us from the "compassion" of Drug Warriors and other liberals.
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posted on
06/04/2006 2:11:02 PM PDT
by
Know your rights
(The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
To: R W Reactionairy
Add in the costs of burglaries [to get money to buy high priced drugs]...Insert appropriately...
[to get money to buy some $bling$ to impress the ladies]
[to get money to pimp my ride]
[to get money to buy some "somethin', somethin'" from that walker on the corner]
[to get money to buy that new CD coming out]
ad infinitum
Burglaries aren't all about drugs.
To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard; mugs99
And while you're at it, prove that the moon is made of cheese.
To: toddlintown
Don't they make clocks there that go "Coo-Coo?"
If they only made one that went "Moo-Moo" instead.
To: philman_36; R W Reactionairy
Burglaries aren't all about drugs.I don't think RW meant to imply that they are ... but certainly some are, and those would be substantially reduced if the drug-war-inflated price of drugs came down.
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posted on
06/04/2006 3:27:13 PM PDT
by
Know your rights
(The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
To: Ken H
Thanks, Ken!
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posted on
06/04/2006 3:38:15 PM PDT
by
Know your rights
(The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard; mugs99
Obviously, the findings of a sociologist on the payroll of a parliamentary-socialist government hold more sway with you than I. So you approach pro-drug-criminalization findings funded by our pro-drug-criminalization federal government with equal skepticism, right?
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posted on
06/04/2006 3:48:22 PM PDT
by
Know your rights
(The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
To: mugs99
You railed against the statistics used by the researchers. If you'd like a source for any particular fact I've posted, just ask.I'd like a source for this one:
"Many of their addicts are self supporting and no drain on the taxpayers."
Thanks in advance!
To: Know your rights
So you approach pro-drug-criminalization findings funded by our pro-drug-criminalization federal government with equal skepticism, right?Absolutely. Check my history, you'll see I'm not a drug warrior. What I am is an anti-socialist. And Switzerland's junkie maintenance program is socialism.
To: philman_36
And while you're at it, prove that the moon is made of cheese.I'll commission a university study on it first thing in the morning.
To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
Check my history, you'll see I'm not a drug warrior.Good to hear.
What I am is an anti-socialist. And Switzerland's junkie maintenance program is socialism.
True ... but more effective at its stated goal than our drug-war socialism for LEOs, bureaucrats, and drug dealers.
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posted on
06/04/2006 3:53:31 PM PDT
by
Know your rights
(The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
To: Know your rights
No, differences in drug poplicy between different countries cannot explain changing substitution treatment enrollments within a single country.I think the authors of the study are saying the policy in Switzerland has, in fact, changed substitution treatment enrollments. They're saying it's reduced them. They're extrapolating that fewer enrollments equals fewer new users.
What I'm suggesting is the flip side of that logic. Fewer enrollments could just as easily mean that fewer people are motivated to get themselves off heroin since using it is no longer a crime. I'm not saying that is the case, I'm saying it could be. The authors never explored the possibility, or even considered it.
To: Know your rights
...but more effective at its stated goal than our drug-war socialism for LEOs, bureaucrats, and drug dealers. Well, that's what we're in here mixing it up about. Obviously, I'm inherently skeptical of sources that tell me how wonderfully socialist programs are working.
Switzerland is socialism's greatest success story in the modern era. They have an educational system that puts ours to absolute shame, they have universal health care and free treatment for addicts, they have 3% unemployment and no crime to speak of. The place is perfect. Utopian, even. And the more government dependence rises, the better things are for everybody.
Switzerland is the world's poster child for that philosophy.
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