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New motto for Bush: Semper fiasco (GREELEY ALERT)
Chicago Sun-Times ^
| June 2, 2006
| ANDREW GREELEY
Posted on 06/02/2006 10:13:00 AM PDT by Chi-townChief
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So it sounds like Greeley isn't waiting for God - he already has judged all Americans as guilty.
To: Chi-townChief
our Muslim brothers remind us, You're just a dhimmi to them, Andrew.
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posted on
06/02/2006 10:14:28 AM PDT
by
atomicpossum
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To: atomicpossum
Which is absolutely fine with Greeley.
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posted on
06/02/2006 10:16:02 AM PDT
by
elhombrelibre
(The MSM is "the propaganda arm of our enemies." - Jack Kelly)
To: Chi-townChief
...2,400 Americans (so far) died in a war...2,400 Americans died in a war?! Oh, my gawd! 2400! This is unprecedented! If an American dies, it's time to surrender. But 2,400?! This is the most horrendous, deadly war we have ever lost.
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posted on
06/02/2006 10:20:53 AM PDT
by
Jeff Chandler
(Build the fence. Sí, Se Puede!)
To: Chi-townChief
What are the Marines doing in Iraq, much less riding in patrols down isolated, dusty desert roads?Marines do a lot of things, Greeley you commie fool.
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posted on
06/02/2006 10:22:24 AM PDT
by
Jeff Chandler
(Build the fence. Sí, Se Puede!)
To: Chi-townChief
So the moral guilt of the American Marines who apparently murdered perhaps two dozen civilians in Haditha, Iraq, last November must be left to heaven.What an incoherent statement.
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posted on
06/02/2006 10:23:20 AM PDT
by
wideawake
To: Chi-townChief
What are the Marines doing in Iraq, much less riding in patrols down isolated, dusty desert roads? The Marines are an elite unit. They charge through Belleau Woods, they land on beaches at Tarawa, they climb Mount Suribachi on Iwo Jima and raise the American flag, they push toward the Yalu River in North Korea in the depth of winter cold and then, cut off from main American forces, "redeploy" from the Chosun Reservoir and out of the trap.Apparently Mr. Greeley's view of Marine Corps history only encompasses major wars. The Marines have been involved in many insurrections, notably in the Caribbean in the twenties & thirties (Haiti, Nicaragua, etc). They performed duties much like the ones that Mr. Greeley finds distasteful.
The Marine Corps publishes a book called "The Small Wars Manual" which is recommended reading for all officers heading to Iraq.
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posted on
06/02/2006 10:24:03 AM PDT
by
Tallguy
(When it's a bet between reality and delusion, bet on reality -- Mark Steyn)
To: Chi-townChief
"I will leave to God the most merciful, the most compassionate, to decide about the moral guilt of Messrs. Bush and Rumsfeld."
Very generous of His Holy Bag of Hot Air.
To: elhombrelibre
This guy is an asshat. Lets try a little reality. One, civilian casualties are a common biproduct of war. This war and all the popular wars we won and just read about too. The question is can the American public grow up enough to realize that no one in history ever fought and won the perfct war. There are a lot of tragedies in war, planned and unintentional. I will not judge my Marines until I have heard the evidence. But I will say this, even if these Marines did go crazy and shoot up the joint, is that I understand their mindset and can forgive them. I know this has happened in every war we, or anyone else has fought since recorded history. To the lefties who now believe WWII was the best war, for the right reasons, and the Americans who fought it were special (note: 25 years ago the lefties did not like even WWII vets) I know that there were many instances of prisoners being shot while attempting to surrender, there were rapes, and there were a whole lot of looting going on in Germany. My point is it is time that the American public grow up, realize this can and probably will happen again. Punish them if found guilty, but don't lie to me and yourself that it should never happen, it will happen. Also, if this is the standard that the left will hold an 18 year old Marine to, I want the same standard for our lovely misunderstood youth at home. The Marine provides me and you a value, the misunderstood youth is a cost.
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posted on
06/02/2006 10:29:01 AM PDT
by
tigtog
To: Chi-townChief
"That's what Marines are trained to do. They are not trained to be bait for terrorists. They do what they're told to do, of course, and try to live up to the ideals of the Corps. Yet, without excusing what happened, one must ask what in the world they were doing on patrol in western Iraq, where they would be an excellent target for an ambuscade, many of them on their third deployment to Iraq? Indeed, what are any Americans doing dodging roadside bombs in that country?"
His comparison to Korea is somewhat enlightening. In Korea, Truman had a strategy not to win the war. It was our first "limited war" or "police action" in which our military could not win, since we had restrictions on who and where we could attack. Also, most of the last two years of the involved a war to push the commies into negotiations. The military took hills with many casualties and then gave those same hills up later for political reasons. Remember Pork Chop Hill.
Now move ahead over 50 years later. We do have a strategy to win, not lose. However, there are insurgents and terrorist mixed in with civilians. That is a problem. They are loosing the war, except in the MSM in the USA.
Greeley's comparison is wrong, but not because Marines in Korea were killed by IEDs, they were killed because of a no win policy.
To: olderwiser
"I will leave to God the most merciful, the most compassionate, to decide about the moral guilt of Messrs. Bush and Rumsfeld."And I will leave to God the most merciful, the most compassionate, to decide the mental stupidity of Mr. Greely.
Nah! Why bother God with such an obvious fact. The guy's a jerk. There!
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posted on
06/02/2006 10:31:44 AM PDT
by
bcsco
("He who is wedded to the spirit of the age is soon a widower" - Anonymous)
To: wideawake
How many Americans were murdered on 9/11?? The MSM and whining Liberals don't remember or are chosing to forget.
To: tigtog
If they snapped and did mass murder, there will be punishment meted out. That punishment will show that our policies, laws, and strategy are not in support of random murder. All that being said, if it happened as we've been led to believe [and I don't really know], it was not cold-blooded murder like Murtha says. It was more likely the actions of enraged and temporarily insane men. It's quite different than what Murtha says happened.
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posted on
06/02/2006 10:34:21 AM PDT
by
elhombrelibre
(The MSM is "the propaganda arm of our enemies." - Jack Kelly)
To: ExTexasRedhead
Greeley doesn't care in the slightest.
What I find most tiresome is the continual reference to these deaths as "murders" by Marines when there is not even a whisper of a rumor of credible evidence to that effect.
To: elhombrelibre
I agree. If it did happen that way it is what is know as a hot blooded crime. Remember, all Marine infantry training is to develop cold blooded killers (i.e., those that discriminate and purposely kill). This is after all our mission.
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posted on
06/02/2006 10:39:03 AM PDT
by
tigtog
To: Chi-townChief
Greeley did raise one, and only one, good question in this article: Are our tactics in Iraq appropriate for the mission?
If you assume that the Marines are innocent of wrongdoing and that they in fact have been set up by the citizens of Haditha and the insurgents, then why in God's name were they placed in a position where they could be so abused both by the Iraqis and then by our investigatory process? If you assume that the Marines in fact did what the media are accusing them of doing, then you must also ask yourself why they would have behaved in such a fashion. Haditha is not My Lai. The Marines of 2006 are not the conscript army of the 60's. They are not led by William Calley. They are highly trained volunteers. They are among America's best soldiers. If they did commit war crimes, did our tactics contribute to a breakdown in their discipline and honor?
These questions go to the heart of our mission in Iraq.
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posted on
06/02/2006 10:42:01 AM PDT
by
p. henry
To: Chi-townChief
God, our Muslim brothers remind us, is the merciful and the compassionate. Well, yeah, they say that, Father. Unfortunately, a good number of them act as if Allah were more like the Calormen god Tash in C.S. Lewis' Chronicles of Narnia: the inexorable and the irresistible.
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posted on
06/02/2006 10:42:52 AM PDT
by
RichInOC
(The Great Mosque: Hog abbatoir, Hooters, synagogue, or smoldering radioactive hole in the ground?)
To: Chi-townChief
God, our Muslim brothers remind us, is the merciful and the compassionate. There- fore, we do not make moral judgments on morality of others.If only Muslims truly believed and lived this. But their actions show that the majority of them do NOT believe this.
Obviously, Greeley is an idiot.
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posted on
06/02/2006 10:43:48 AM PDT
by
MEGoody
(Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
To: Chi-townChief
So it sounds like Greeley isn't waiting for God - he already has judged all Americans as guilty.I cannot help but wonder, even for a moment, if God is waiting for Greeley, or if Greeley has already been judged by Him.
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posted on
06/02/2006 10:43:57 AM PDT
by
Petronski
(I just love that woman.)
To: Jeff Chandler
At least 2 were murdered by a muslim traitor in our ranks (Sgt. Akbar).
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posted on
06/02/2006 11:02:34 AM PDT
by
weegee
(Slowly but surely and deliberately, converativism is being made a thoughtcrime.)
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