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How Coherent Is the Human Evolution Story?
Institute for Creation Research ^ | William Hoesch, M.S.

Posted on 06/01/2006 1:12:18 PM PDT by Sopater

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To: bobdsmith
It's not an ape as it falls far closer to human features than any modern ape. The shape of the skull and the teeth are far more human like than modern apelike. the cranium capacity is much larger too. Also it walked upright.

Hmmm, and you know all this from looking at some bones... I wonder what some "scientist" would have said about the "elephant mans" bones...

41 posted on 06/01/2006 2:16:23 PM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: sageb1

Sorry - "Check DU" .... what's that mean?????


42 posted on 06/01/2006 2:17:34 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("The Americans on Flight 93 did more to counter terrorism than the Democrats have done in 4 years")
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To: Old_Mil
Or, for that matter, what the motivations of evolutionists are.

The motivation seems to be a scientific search for the truth, with all of the mis-steps and mistakes inherent in such a process. A lot messier than blind belief, but also a lot more accurate.
43 posted on 06/01/2006 2:17:54 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: Sopater

As Leonard Cohen once said, "everybody knows!"


44 posted on 06/01/2006 2:18:46 PM PDT by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything.")
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To: Matchett-PI

Yes, and I'm a Christian who swims in those waters.

I do not like to talk about it much, because I know many Christians have a very literal set of beliefs, and I don't care to either dislodge them of those beliefs, or convince them mine are rational.


45 posted on 06/01/2006 2:22:12 PM PDT by David Allen (the presumption of innocence - what a concept!)
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To: Echo Talon
Hmmm, and you know all this from looking at some bones...

Yes, just as I can distinguish the green from red by just looking at some colors.

I wonder what some "scientist" would have said about the "elephant mans" bones...

It would have probably been obvious it was a deformity. Plus that's only one skeleton. Homo Erectus is backed up by remains of hundreds of individuals.

46 posted on 06/01/2006 2:23:49 PM PDT by bobdsmith
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To: Matchett-PI

The dust was created and man was "formed" from it.


I told my mom this and she said well there's either someone coming or going under your bed ....


Sorry, couldn't resist it .....


47 posted on 06/01/2006 2:26:20 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("The Americans on Flight 93 did more to counter terrorism than the Democrats have done in 4 years")
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To: bobdsmith

how you know, this isn't an extinct ape?


48 posted on 06/01/2006 2:27:08 PM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: Echo Talon
I wonder what some "scientist" would have said about the "elephant mans" bones...

He probably would have said something like, "Why, this man has Proteus syndrome," if we're talking about a current scientist. Until 1996, he might have said, "Why this man has neurofibromatosis," but that turned out not to be the case. For many years, he probably would have said, "Why, this man has Elephant Man's Disease," but strange as it may seem, that turned out not to be the case either.

49 posted on 06/01/2006 2:28:15 PM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: Echo Talon
hmmm, so Jesus never walked on water or performed miracles I guess...?

There's certainly no evidence for it... :^)

50 posted on 06/01/2006 2:30:36 PM PDT by blowfish
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To: Gumlegs

my point being, they have no idea anything about these creatures and everything they say is pure speculation from what they "think" they know. They have no idea for sure what it really is or how this creature acted etc.


51 posted on 06/01/2006 2:30:46 PM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: Echo Talon
Same reason I know kennewick man isn't an extinct ape. Looks nothing like any modern or prehistoric ape we know of. Looks far more human.
52 posted on 06/01/2006 2:31:00 PM PDT by bobdsmith
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To: Sopater
Haven't participated in a good heated argument lately.

Not married, I see.

53 posted on 06/01/2006 2:32:52 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (I can't complain...but sometimes I still do.)
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To: blowfish

And no evidence exists that we evolved from Apes either, at least the miracles of Jesus have been documented.


54 posted on 06/01/2006 2:33:18 PM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: bobdsmith
Same reason I know kennewick man isn't an extinct ape. Looks nothing like any modern or prehistoric ape we know of. Looks far more human.

So you speculate that it MUST be a human? but you don't know for sure...

55 posted on 06/01/2006 2:34:26 PM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: Echo Talon
Same reason I know kennewick man isn't an extinct ape. Looks nothing like any modern or prehistoric ape we know of. Looks far more human.

So you speculate that it MUST be a human? but you don't know for sure...

Quit blowing smoke. The experts who have looked at Kennewick Man know he was human. Are you just being a troll or what?

56 posted on 06/01/2006 2:37:22 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Stupidity is the only universal capital crime; the sentence is death--Heinlein)
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To: Echo Talon

I do know for sure. It's definitely not an ape. If it had to be lumped into a group that we know of them it would be lumped with humans. But it is not a modern human.


57 posted on 06/01/2006 2:39:47 PM PDT by bobdsmith
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To: bobdsmith

your faith in man is strong my friend.


58 posted on 06/01/2006 2:44:05 PM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: Dracian
His second argument that there are examples of 6000 year old H. erectus is a factual claim for which he provides no evidence

That statement is in accord with the position that NOTHING is more than 6000 years old.

59 posted on 06/01/2006 2:44:44 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Here to Help)
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To: Echo Talon
my point being, they have no idea anything about these creatures and everything they say is pure speculation from what they "think" they know. They have no idea for sure what it really is or how this creature acted etc.

You really think they have "no idea;" that everything published is "pure speculation"? I'm sure if it's that blatant, you'll have no problem demonstrating exactly what you mean ... concisely.

My point about the nature of the Elephant Man's disease was that any competent scientist observing the bones would realize at once that they were the product of disease and not evolution. It would also be perfectly obvious that the bones were those of someone who died so recently that his bones would show no evidence of fossilization -- they're still bones. (You do know the difference between a fossil and a bone).

Now, you may "have no idea ... about these creatures," and it may be that everything you "say is pure speculation," but that doesn't mean that no one else knows anything about them and is merely speculating.

As to how the creatures acted, my guess would be that it would have been distinctly pre-Stanislavsky, but more than that's about as far as I'd care to go.

60 posted on 06/01/2006 2:44:51 PM PDT by Gumlegs
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