How Coherent Is the Human Evolution Story?

Institute for Creation Research ^ | William Hoesch, M.S.

[pabianice]

[Dracian]

I wonder how you interpret the Bible.

Apparently with some grasp of reality.

[LegendHasIt]

"Any anthropologist should be able to spot a Homo erectus on a crowded subway train, even clean-shaven and in a business suit, as different from modern humans."

Don't even have to be an anthropologist to recognize one. I've had a Homo Erectus try to brush up against me a few times, and it was really obvious what he was.

[Ragnorak]

I've been told all the bones before homo erectus ever found will fit easily into one phone booth. Hard to conclusively base millions of years of evolution on so little evidence.

My thoughts exactly. It seems every new article on evolution is about how some new fossil discovery changes everything we thought we knew. How about these scientists just come clean and say we have fewer than a dozen skeletons from a period of 4 million years and thus we don't know squat.

They're like a bunch of mathematicians who assumed 2 + 2 is 5 and are wondering why there are all these inconsistencies in the mathematical world.

[Echo Talon]

Apparently with some grasp of reality.

hmmm, so Jesus never walked on water or performed miracles I guess...?

[Echo Talon]

My thoughts exactly. It seems every new article on evolution is about how some new fossil discovery changes everything we thought we knew. How about these scientists just come clean and say we have fewer than a dozen skeletons from a period of 4 million years and thus we don't know squat.

Its no different than Al Gore and his Global Worming BS based off shoddy computer models.

[Old_Mil]

The theory of evolution is entirely consistent with belief in a Creator.

The theory of evolution is entirely consistent with a belief in a Creator...just so long as that Creator doesn't happen to be the one described in Genesis. Which makes you wonder what the motivations of those "other" religions are. Or, for that matter, what the motivations of evolutionists are.

[Coyoteman]

A couple bones from here a couple bones from there and a bunch of speculation from everywhere makes for a very weak theory.

Are you actually familiar with the database for evolution? So that you can, from your own knowledge, say "A couple bones from here a couple bones from there?" Or are you getting this from some creation website?

Here is an example which might help:

The fossil below is numbered "KNM-WT 15000" -- which stands for Kenya National Museum, West Turkana area, specimen #15,000.

There are a lot more than 15,000 now. There are a lot more areas in Kenya with their own numbering systems. And there are a lot more countries in Africa producing fossils. Further, there are a lot of fossils from other continents as well.

So much for your "couple of bones" contention.

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Fossil: KNM-WT 15000

Site: Nariokotome, West Turkana, Kenya (1)

Discovered By: K. Kimeu, 1984 (1)

Estimated Age of Fossil: 1.6 mya * determined by Stratigraphic, faunal & radiometric data (1, 4)

Species Name: Homo ergaster (1, 7, 8), Homo erectus (3, 4, 7, 10), Homo erectus ergaster (25)

Gender: Male (based on pelvis, browridge) (1, 8, 9)

Cranial Capacity: 880 (909 as adult) cc (1)

Information: Most complete early hominid skeleton (80 bones and skull) (1, 8)

Interpretation: Hairless and dark pigmented body (based on environment, limb proportions) (7, 8, 9). Juvenile (9-12 based on 2nd molar eruption and unfused growth plates) (1, 3, 4, 7, 8). Juvenile (8 years old based on recent studies on tooth development) (27). Incapable of speech (based on narrowing of spinal canal in thoracic region) (1)

Nickname: Turkana Boy (1), Nariokotome Boy

See original source for notes:
Source: http://www.mos.org/evolution/fossils/fossilview.php?fid=38

[Dracian]

hmmm, so Jesus never walked on water or performed miracles I guess...?

The phrase "non sequitur" springs to mind.

[Echo Talon]

Did Jesus perform miracles and walk on water or is that not based on reality?

[Old_Mil]

We WERE the center of the universe. It was quite a climb down to have to admit we were just a speck in a random position in the universe.

Looks to me like we are the center of the universe. :)

[Echo Talon]

First of all, PROVE that was a human and not some type of extinct ape.

[Elsiejay]

Can you document an instance wherein the Institute for Cretion Research has misrepresented the views or words of evolutionists? If not, why assume the ICR is not to be believed as regards the evolutionary worldview. In its publications the ICR quotes at length the exact words written or spoken by leading evolutionists, and does not twist them or take them out of context.

[PatrickHenry]

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[RobRoy]

>>The theory of evolution is entirely consistent with belief in a Creator.<<

Which part?

[RobRoy]

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I believe that is a form of Ad-Hominem attack. :)

[Matchett-PI]

"But the bottom line is this: I don't believe evolution explains US, modern humans, and our sudden emergence with so many attributes not seen before." ~ David Allen

There is more than one "theory of evolution".

The dust was created and man was "formed" from it.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1585972/posts?page=69#69

[RobRoy]

>>Similar to the debate in the church years ago when it was still believed that the sun rotated around the earth.<<

Uh, no, not really. No.

Although I am sure you would like it to be. You see, the difference is that one is clearly stated in the Bible while the other is not.

[bobdsmith]

It's not an ape as it falls far closer to human features than any modern ape. The shape of the skull and the teeth are far more human like than modern apelike. the cranium capacity is much larger too. Also it walked upright.

[Matchett-PI]

"Similar to the debate in the church years ago when it was still believed that the sun rotated around the earth."

What were Galileo's scientific and biblical conflicts with the Church?