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Gold ready to crash?
Market Watch.com ^ | Jun 1, 2006 | Jesse Czelusta

Posted on 06/01/2006 8:10:31 AM PDT by Grampa Dave

Gold ready to crash? Commentary: The problem with precious metals By Jesse Czelusta, Index Rx Last Update: 8:01 AM ET Jun 1, 2006

Jesse Czelusta serves as a technical advisor to the Index Rx investment letter, which is edited by his father, Lawrence Czelusta, and is a PhD candidate in economics at Stanford University. (indexrx.com) SAN ANTONIO, Texas (MarketWatch) --

Despite the recent pullback, gold and silver are very much in fashion. The fact that history has witnessed recurring periods of Au and Ag mania is evidence that Mr. Barnum's estimate of the birth rate is merely a lower bound.

Just listen to the din coming from the circus touts, ringleaders, and big top patrons themselves:

"Silver at $40 an ounce! Invest now, don't miss out!" screams the latest get-rich-quick pamphlet to litter my desk.

"Gold at $2,000?" queries the headline on one of my favorite on-line investing sites.

"Gold is the best investment that a housewife can make," I was recently informed by a member of said caste.

Indeed, the past few years have generated a frenzy of speculation in precious metals investments. But a broad-based fall in precious metals prices, if not imminent, is at least inevitable. Any interest in precious metals (as distinct from mining companies' stocks, which are better long-term investments but subject to their own set of limitations) as anything other than a disaster hedge, a short-term gamble, or jewelry is grossly misdirected.

Contrary to popular belief, long-run demand is not growing more quickly than supply.

Imagine that in the year 1900 your great-great grandfather had listened to the advice of someone touting precious metals. How would his investment have looked one hundred years later?

Not so great. At the start of the year 2000, prices for gold and silver in real terms were about the same as they were one hundred years before (see charts). Demand (largely from industry) has increased, but supply has on average kept up.

World mine production today is almost 25 times as high as it was in 1850 (again, see figures). New discoveries and technologies have allowed gold and silver production to continue to expand.

But won't these new sources of supply dry up sooner rather than later? Doubtful.

Supplies are coming not only from countries that are relative newcomers to precious metals production, but also from countries and regions that have long been mining gold and silver.

The U.S. mines more gold today than it did at the height of the Gold Rush in 1853. Gold and silver production in Australia, Peru, Mexico, Brazil, and so on -- countries with long histories of mine production -- are stronger than ever.

The proximate lesson of history for investors is clear: gold bullion is second only to hiding your money under a mattress as one of the worst possible long-term investments. If you are intent upon hopping aboard the gold fever bandwagon, then stick with stocks. Better yet, stick with stock index funds. Funds like DWS Commodity Securities SKSRX or GDX an exchange-traded fund offer investors a way to purchase a diversified basket of commodity company stocks at relatively low cost.

On the other hand, history also tells us with respect to commodities that what goes up will almost certainly come down. If you think the gold fever has run its course, you could instead make a contrary play by shorting streetTRACKS Gold Shares which both track the price of gold bullion. Or you could make a highly aggressive move by purchasing puts on the optionable GDX.

If you do make a foray into commodities, be prepared for the inevitable boom and bust cycles. Commodities (like stocks) are worth only as much as the investment masses think they are. Just because your personal opinion is proven right in the long-run does not preclude the possibility that you will miss out on substantial, sentiment-driven profit opportunities in the meantime.

This is why Index Rx employs a mid-term relative strength model, rather than editorial prescience, to pick funds. Neither of the editors of Index Rx would have recommended precious metals twelve months ago. In fact, we purposefully exclude commodity funds from our portfolios because of their volatility and lack of potential for long-term appreciation.

Yet we've benefited from the run-up in commodities prices (and arguably from the dollar's decline) by investing in international and emerging market funds over this period. Our more aggressive portfolios have accrued large returns over the past year via ETFs like iShares MSCI Emerging Markets (EEMiShares:MSCI Emerg Mkt VPL ) . Although May's drop was precipitous, this short term decline is vastly outweighed by these ETFs' 12-month gains.

While the final numbers were not yet in as this article went to press, recent market action looks likely to move us away from emerging markets and into developed economies. Funds like iShares MSCI EAFE Index (EFAiShares:MSCI EAFE Idx.

Whatever strategy you choose, remember: All that glitters is not gold, even gold itself.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cominggoldcrash; gold; goldreadytocrash
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To: Toddsterpatriot
I presume you are a multi millionaire who lives off his dividends.
341 posted on 06/18/2006 9:34:08 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Illegal immigration Control and Border Security -The jobs George W. Bush doesn't want to do.)
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To: Beelzebubba
Gold never went bankrupt.

Well, then I suggest you put all your money into gold. I'll stick to stocks that can increase their earnings and dividends.

342 posted on 06/19/2006 4:56:58 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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To: B4Ranch

You don't have to be a multi millionaire to laugh at ignorance.


343 posted on 06/19/2006 4:57:41 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

More silly anti-gold rhetoric. You don't need to put everything into gold to recognize that it has never gone bankrupt.


344 posted on 06/19/2006 7:06:57 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: Beelzebubba
You don't need to put everything into gold to recognize that it has never gone bankrupt.

You don't need to put anything into gold to recognize it has never gone bankrupt. Philip Morris has never gone bankrupt and pays a 4.5% annual dividend. What do I win?

345 posted on 06/19/2006 7:12:38 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Philip Morris has never gone bankrupt and pays a 4.5% annual dividend. What do I win?



Past performance does not guarantee future results.

There are scenarios where gold would be better than PM.


346 posted on 06/19/2006 7:17:29 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: Beelzebubba
Past performance does not guarantee future results.

You feeling okay? You actually said something I can agree with.

There are scenarios where gold would be better than PM.

Sure, but Philip Morris pays you to wait. How much does gold pay you?

347 posted on 06/19/2006 7:29:08 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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To: Beelzebubba
Gold never went bankrupt.

Philip Morris was never confiscated by FDR.

348 posted on 06/19/2006 8:31:05 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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To: Beelzebubba; B4Ranch
and pays a 4.5% annual dividend.

Yep, now it's more then obvious...what we have here -sparring with us- is an aspiring stock broker - scrambling to sway public opinion of those who might want to try to make a some dollars in gold or silver - while needlessly, publicly whimpering/fretting about a loss in his future commissions.

349 posted on 06/19/2006 2:08:09 PM PDT by Sic Luceat Lux
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Tell us Todd, flat out, you're a stock broker, correct?
I've admitted that I owned a successful coin business [oh, how dreadful, chuckle/ chuckle]) for over eleven years; it's no sin here Todd, to admit your occupation. (just curious, as I remember all those years in my numismatic business -of once in a blue moon having these same type of discussions (sparring with stock brokers about the merits of investing in gold and silver) - as we see here between you, I, B4Ranch and Beelzebubba.
(so, you're in your first or second year as an aspiring stock broker?)
350 posted on 06/19/2006 2:20:31 PM PDT by Sic Luceat Lux
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To: Sic Luceat Lux
I've admitted that I owned a successful coin business [oh, how dreadful, chuckle/ chuckle]) for over eleven years

When did you admit that?

351 posted on 06/19/2006 2:25:14 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
(and btw Todd, what I've stated here in this thread are a few purchases of silver bars (this year) / I haven't even bothered to bring up in this gold thread- the 50 krugerrands I purchased when gold was at $418.00 and I paid $423)

But Todd, it's O.K. - it's not a total loss for you, I do have a solid portfolio in stocks. (but only 15-20%)
(awaiting your replies after you leave Merrill [or whatever] later today, heh)

352 posted on 06/19/2006 2:29:27 PM PDT by Sic Luceat Lux
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Oh, you are monitoring from Merrill I see.

admitted that I owned a successful coin business

hmmm, not as astute as I thought Todd, you have neglected to find/hunt for the silver thread here-that's been ongoing for over four months - - -

353 posted on 06/19/2006 2:33:01 PM PDT by Sic Luceat Lux
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To: Sic Luceat Lux
you have neglected to find/hunt for the silver thread here-that's been ongoing for over four months - -

Sorry, I don't watch every silly goldbug thread. My first experience with you was your panty-in-a-wad reaction to my goldbug taunts. Which you answered with your big profit (hehe) silver trading history.

354 posted on 06/19/2006 2:36:18 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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To: Sic Luceat Lux
Tell us Todd, flat out, you're a stock broker, correct?

Nope. I have my Series 7 and am also a Registered Options Principal (Series 4). I've been in the Securities Industry since 1984. I have never solicited customer business and have never received a dollar in compensation from commissions.

I'm currently a financial analyst on the buy side. It's kinda funny that a coin dealer who charges 1.8% commissions on bullion, I know your markups on coins are much higher, wants to criticize stock brokers who charge much lower commissions.

355 posted on 06/19/2006 2:45:46 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
silly goldbug thread

absolutely too funny/very astute, very, rofl

356 posted on 06/19/2006 2:48:15 PM PDT by Sic Luceat Lux
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To: Toddsterpatriot
I'm currently a financial analyst on the buy side.

So, tell us, is this the same as being a: silly analyst?

357 posted on 06/19/2006 2:49:32 PM PDT by Sic Luceat Lux
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To: Sic Luceat Lux
a coin dealer who charges 1.8% commissions on bullion

Let me do some- analyzing and let me specifically analyze - how you missed the important numbers/facts - in an easy to comprehend scenario:

I just stated above that I purchased 50 krugerrands with gold bullion at $418 and I paid $423 for each of these krugerrands. Grab your calculator and analyze properly - - - what is the commission? (ahhh, not 1.8%)
(and of course, when I do sell them to my coin dealer friend, he'll most likely give me about $2 over spot)

[here we have an "analyst" who flunks out - on easy math???]

358 posted on 06/19/2006 3:00:55 PM PDT by Sic Luceat Lux
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To: Sic Luceat Lux
Let me do some- analyzing and let me specifically analyze - how you missed the important numbers/facts - in an easy to comprehend scenario:
silver was at $8.35. He then said he would charge (fees, as you call them) fifteen (15 cents) over spot

Back to the drawing board n00b.

359 posted on 06/19/2006 3:05:51 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
I know your markups on coins are much higher...

Btw, it's indisputable, that historically - investing in rare coins has out performed every other long term investment - of any kind. Todd, do you know who Louis Eliasberg was?

360 posted on 06/19/2006 3:07:13 PM PDT by Sic Luceat Lux
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