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Gold ready to crash?
Market Watch.com ^ | Jun 1, 2006 | Jesse Czelusta

Posted on 06/01/2006 8:10:31 AM PDT by Grampa Dave

Gold ready to crash? Commentary: The problem with precious metals By Jesse Czelusta, Index Rx Last Update: 8:01 AM ET Jun 1, 2006

Jesse Czelusta serves as a technical advisor to the Index Rx investment letter, which is edited by his father, Lawrence Czelusta, and is a PhD candidate in economics at Stanford University. (indexrx.com) SAN ANTONIO, Texas (MarketWatch) --

Despite the recent pullback, gold and silver are very much in fashion. The fact that history has witnessed recurring periods of Au and Ag mania is evidence that Mr. Barnum's estimate of the birth rate is merely a lower bound.

Just listen to the din coming from the circus touts, ringleaders, and big top patrons themselves:

"Silver at $40 an ounce! Invest now, don't miss out!" screams the latest get-rich-quick pamphlet to litter my desk.

"Gold at $2,000?" queries the headline on one of my favorite on-line investing sites.

"Gold is the best investment that a housewife can make," I was recently informed by a member of said caste.

Indeed, the past few years have generated a frenzy of speculation in precious metals investments. But a broad-based fall in precious metals prices, if not imminent, is at least inevitable. Any interest in precious metals (as distinct from mining companies' stocks, which are better long-term investments but subject to their own set of limitations) as anything other than a disaster hedge, a short-term gamble, or jewelry is grossly misdirected.

Contrary to popular belief, long-run demand is not growing more quickly than supply.

Imagine that in the year 1900 your great-great grandfather had listened to the advice of someone touting precious metals. How would his investment have looked one hundred years later?

Not so great. At the start of the year 2000, prices for gold and silver in real terms were about the same as they were one hundred years before (see charts). Demand (largely from industry) has increased, but supply has on average kept up.

World mine production today is almost 25 times as high as it was in 1850 (again, see figures). New discoveries and technologies have allowed gold and silver production to continue to expand.

But won't these new sources of supply dry up sooner rather than later? Doubtful.

Supplies are coming not only from countries that are relative newcomers to precious metals production, but also from countries and regions that have long been mining gold and silver.

The U.S. mines more gold today than it did at the height of the Gold Rush in 1853. Gold and silver production in Australia, Peru, Mexico, Brazil, and so on -- countries with long histories of mine production -- are stronger than ever.

The proximate lesson of history for investors is clear: gold bullion is second only to hiding your money under a mattress as one of the worst possible long-term investments. If you are intent upon hopping aboard the gold fever bandwagon, then stick with stocks. Better yet, stick with stock index funds. Funds like DWS Commodity Securities SKSRX or GDX an exchange-traded fund offer investors a way to purchase a diversified basket of commodity company stocks at relatively low cost.

On the other hand, history also tells us with respect to commodities that what goes up will almost certainly come down. If you think the gold fever has run its course, you could instead make a contrary play by shorting streetTRACKS Gold Shares which both track the price of gold bullion. Or you could make a highly aggressive move by purchasing puts on the optionable GDX.

If you do make a foray into commodities, be prepared for the inevitable boom and bust cycles. Commodities (like stocks) are worth only as much as the investment masses think they are. Just because your personal opinion is proven right in the long-run does not preclude the possibility that you will miss out on substantial, sentiment-driven profit opportunities in the meantime.

This is why Index Rx employs a mid-term relative strength model, rather than editorial prescience, to pick funds. Neither of the editors of Index Rx would have recommended precious metals twelve months ago. In fact, we purposefully exclude commodity funds from our portfolios because of their volatility and lack of potential for long-term appreciation.

Yet we've benefited from the run-up in commodities prices (and arguably from the dollar's decline) by investing in international and emerging market funds over this period. Our more aggressive portfolios have accrued large returns over the past year via ETFs like iShares MSCI Emerging Markets (EEMiShares:MSCI Emerg Mkt VPL ) . Although May's drop was precipitous, this short term decline is vastly outweighed by these ETFs' 12-month gains.

While the final numbers were not yet in as this article went to press, recent market action looks likely to move us away from emerging markets and into developed economies. Funds like iShares MSCI EAFE Index (EFAiShares:MSCI EAFE Idx.

Whatever strategy you choose, remember: All that glitters is not gold, even gold itself.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cominggoldcrash; gold; goldreadytocrash
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To: Axenolith
In order for that comparison to retain the facade of legitimacy you'd have bought and held the exact components that made it up then and held it til now.

Still stretching to prove gold is a better investment than stocks?

More likely than not you'd be broke...

That's right because 70+ years of dividends on gold is more than 70 + years of dividends on the Dow or S&P. And GE has done pretty well since 1935.

181 posted on 06/01/2006 3:04:27 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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To: GOP_1900AD

Of course if and when the bottom falls out of the Gold/Silver bubble, it will be GW's, Rove's, Republican's, yours and my fault.


182 posted on 06/01/2006 3:04:43 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (There's a dwindling market for Marxist homosexual lunatic wet dreams posing as journalism)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
But I thought gold was the only way to really store value? I heard that an ounce of gold has always bought a decent suit. (smirk)

From the article:

Not so great. At the start of the year 2000, prices for gold and silver in real terms were about the same as they were one hundred years before (see charts). Demand (largely from industry) has increased, but supply has on average kept up.

Gold and silver are money, not an investment. Anyone pretending that they are an investment is a shill or a speculator. Anyone pretending they aren't money is ignoring history.

183 posted on 06/01/2006 3:07:33 PM PDT by palmer (Money problems do not come from a lack of money, but from living an excessive, unrealistic lifestyle)
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To: paulcissa

Exactly. The question isn't whether gold will have value. How much will it buy you in guns and compatible ammo?


184 posted on 06/01/2006 3:09:02 PM PDT by David Allen (the presumption of innocence - what a concept!)
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To: palmer
Gold and silver are money

That gold money declined about 13% in the last 3 weeks. Do you consider that a store of value?

185 posted on 06/01/2006 3:09:57 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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To: Beelzebubba
We are enjoying a period of low inflation!

Excluding food, fuel, health care, school, taxes, rent, housing supplies etc...

Air and public drinking water are really holding that core rate down, thank God, the adjustible won't rise to fast!

186 posted on 06/01/2006 3:12:37 PM PDT by Axenolith (Got Au? Ag?)
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To: All

I'm not a gold advocate, but it has outperformed the Dow the past five years, and done so handily.


187 posted on 06/01/2006 3:14:57 PM PDT by David Allen (the presumption of innocence - what a concept!)
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To: Grampa Dave
The U.S. mines more gold today than it did at the height of the Gold Rush in 1853.

Wow ... how enlightening. Modern mining technology aces anything that panning for gold produced during the gold rush era in northern California over 150 years ago. This should be evident to any one with even the most cursory interest in precious metals. This author comes across as a rank amateur.

188 posted on 06/01/2006 3:17:18 PM PDT by BluH2o
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To: Toddsterpatriot
That gold money declined about 13% in the last 3 weeks. Do you consider that a store of value?

No problem ... I purchased gold in the $340.00 range. Further I have done exceedingly well with Vanguards precious metal fund, up 27.3% YTD and 45.5% in the last three years. I've owned it since early 2001.

189 posted on 06/01/2006 3:24:39 PM PDT by BluH2o
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Yes, I tweak goldbugs.

Don't quit your day job...

190 posted on 06/01/2006 3:27:47 PM PDT by Axenolith (Got Au? Ag?)
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To: BluH2o
No problem ... I purchased gold in the $340.00 range.

Yes, it is possible to make money by buying gold and other precious metals. Do you consider it a "store of value"? Or is it a commodity that can go up and down?

191 posted on 06/01/2006 3:28:01 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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To: David Allen
"How much will it buy you in guns and compatible ammo?"

Please sir, how much gold would you take for that fine shotgun?

Now really, there's no need to load it, I'll take your word for it that it works.

Uh, sir, you really don't need to point it in my direction.

Now really, let's be reasonable, I have all this gold and ....

192 posted on 06/01/2006 3:29:45 PM PDT by Proud_texan (I'm gonna break my rusty cage and run)
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To: Proud_texan

I don't buy gold because I think it's pessimistic.

Don't like owning precious metals, either.


193 posted on 06/01/2006 3:35:19 PM PDT by David Allen (the presumption of innocence - what a concept!)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Still stretching to prove gold is a better investment than stocks?



Your "tweaking" is degenerating into a straw man rhetoric.

No one is saying that gold was a better investment for stocks.

Some believe that gold will IN THE FUTURE preserve wealth better than stocks. You can disparage them as "gold bugs."


194 posted on 06/01/2006 3:41:46 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: David Allen
I've never understood the attraction to gold and I'm far more prone to invest in usable stuff I understand more like oil and most recently, copper. Because I like FCX I end up with a gold investment but it's tangential to the copper.

I cleared out of both too soon but then better to sell too soon and take a profit than to hang on too long and get whacked.

195 posted on 06/01/2006 3:42:45 PM PDT by Proud_texan (I'm gonna break my rusty cage and run)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
I'm not actually arguing it's an investment over a long period at all, I'm arguing that it's a stabilizing factor that has historically (4 or 5 thousand years) kept politicians honest in monetary expansion.

Comparing the DOW and gold since XXXX is stupid, if you want real gains, you have to move in and out of stuff.

BTW, every instance you get to cite for golds poor performance is inevitably caused by government intervention to save their paper. Volker did most of the damage in the last breakdown in the 80's by jacking interest rates through the roof...

196 posted on 06/01/2006 3:47:03 PM PDT by Axenolith (Got Au? Ag?)
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To: Proud_texan

Contrary to what some have concluded, I favor real estate over gold or stocks or other things. It's real. It's not going anywhere. There is no more of it. Transfer of title takes a certain path, and one can rely on deed records to determine clear title.

Investment is like life. When you're 30, canoeing down the rapids sounds like fun. When you're 55, it sounds like trouble.


197 posted on 06/01/2006 3:51:10 PM PDT by David Allen (the presumption of innocence - what a concept!)
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To: Beelzebubba
No one is saying that gold was a better investment for stocks.

You feeling okay? You're making sense :^)

Some believe that gold will IN THE FUTURE preserve wealth better than stocks.

Yes, many confused people believe a lot of silly things.

You can disparage them as "gold bugs."

And I do. I'm going to buy some gold. As soon as they raise the dividend it pays.

198 posted on 06/01/2006 3:51:58 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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To: Axenolith
I'm arguing that it's a stabilizing factor that has historically (4 or 5 thousand years) kept politicians honest in monetary expansion.

Yes, a gold based currency makes it difficult for politicians to inflate the money supply. You don't think we should go back on a gold standard, do you?

Did we have less inflation/deflation while we were on the gold standard?

199 posted on 06/01/2006 3:55:20 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

The dollar has lost about 98.5% since the FEDs inception and it's accelerating.


200 posted on 06/01/2006 4:00:52 PM PDT by Axenolith (Got Au? Ag?)
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