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Gold ready to crash?
Market Watch.com ^ | Jun 1, 2006 | Jesse Czelusta

Posted on 06/01/2006 8:10:31 AM PDT by Grampa Dave

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To: Axenolith
In order for that comparison to retain the facade of legitimacy you'd have bought and held the exact components that made it up then and held it til now.

Still stretching to prove gold is a better investment than stocks?

More likely than not you'd be broke...

That's right because 70+ years of dividends on gold is more than 70 + years of dividends on the Dow or S&P. And GE has done pretty well since 1935.

181 posted on 06/01/2006 3:04:27 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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To: GOP_1900AD

Of course if and when the bottom falls out of the Gold/Silver bubble, it will be GW's, Rove's, Republican's, yours and my fault.


182 posted on 06/01/2006 3:04:43 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (There's a dwindling market for Marxist homosexual lunatic wet dreams posing as journalism)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
But I thought gold was the only way to really store value? I heard that an ounce of gold has always bought a decent suit. (smirk)

From the article:

Not so great. At the start of the year 2000, prices for gold and silver in real terms were about the same as they were one hundred years before (see charts). Demand (largely from industry) has increased, but supply has on average kept up.

Gold and silver are money, not an investment. Anyone pretending that they are an investment is a shill or a speculator. Anyone pretending they aren't money is ignoring history.

183 posted on 06/01/2006 3:07:33 PM PDT by palmer (Money problems do not come from a lack of money, but from living an excessive, unrealistic lifestyle)
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To: paulcissa

Exactly. The question isn't whether gold will have value. How much will it buy you in guns and compatible ammo?


184 posted on 06/01/2006 3:09:02 PM PDT by David Allen (the presumption of innocence - what a concept!)
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To: palmer
Gold and silver are money

That gold money declined about 13% in the last 3 weeks. Do you consider that a store of value?

185 posted on 06/01/2006 3:09:57 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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To: Beelzebubba
We are enjoying a period of low inflation!

Excluding food, fuel, health care, school, taxes, rent, housing supplies etc...

Air and public drinking water are really holding that core rate down, thank God, the adjustible won't rise to fast!

186 posted on 06/01/2006 3:12:37 PM PDT by Axenolith (Got Au? Ag?)
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To: All

I'm not a gold advocate, but it has outperformed the Dow the past five years, and done so handily.


187 posted on 06/01/2006 3:14:57 PM PDT by David Allen (the presumption of innocence - what a concept!)
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To: Grampa Dave
The U.S. mines more gold today than it did at the height of the Gold Rush in 1853.

Wow ... how enlightening. Modern mining technology aces anything that panning for gold produced during the gold rush era in northern California over 150 years ago. This should be evident to any one with even the most cursory interest in precious metals. This author comes across as a rank amateur.

188 posted on 06/01/2006 3:17:18 PM PDT by BluH2o
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To: Toddsterpatriot
That gold money declined about 13% in the last 3 weeks. Do you consider that a store of value?

No problem ... I purchased gold in the $340.00 range. Further I have done exceedingly well with Vanguards precious metal fund, up 27.3% YTD and 45.5% in the last three years. I've owned it since early 2001.

189 posted on 06/01/2006 3:24:39 PM PDT by BluH2o
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Yes, I tweak goldbugs.

Don't quit your day job...

190 posted on 06/01/2006 3:27:47 PM PDT by Axenolith (Got Au? Ag?)
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To: BluH2o
No problem ... I purchased gold in the $340.00 range.

Yes, it is possible to make money by buying gold and other precious metals. Do you consider it a "store of value"? Or is it a commodity that can go up and down?

191 posted on 06/01/2006 3:28:01 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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To: David Allen
"How much will it buy you in guns and compatible ammo?"

Please sir, how much gold would you take for that fine shotgun?

Now really, there's no need to load it, I'll take your word for it that it works.

Uh, sir, you really don't need to point it in my direction.

Now really, let's be reasonable, I have all this gold and ....

192 posted on 06/01/2006 3:29:45 PM PDT by Proud_texan (I'm gonna break my rusty cage and run)
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To: Proud_texan

I don't buy gold because I think it's pessimistic.

Don't like owning precious metals, either.


193 posted on 06/01/2006 3:35:19 PM PDT by David Allen (the presumption of innocence - what a concept!)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Still stretching to prove gold is a better investment than stocks?



Your "tweaking" is degenerating into a straw man rhetoric.

No one is saying that gold was a better investment for stocks.

Some believe that gold will IN THE FUTURE preserve wealth better than stocks. You can disparage them as "gold bugs."


194 posted on 06/01/2006 3:41:46 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: David Allen
I've never understood the attraction to gold and I'm far more prone to invest in usable stuff I understand more like oil and most recently, copper. Because I like FCX I end up with a gold investment but it's tangential to the copper.

I cleared out of both too soon but then better to sell too soon and take a profit than to hang on too long and get whacked.

195 posted on 06/01/2006 3:42:45 PM PDT by Proud_texan (I'm gonna break my rusty cage and run)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
I'm not actually arguing it's an investment over a long period at all, I'm arguing that it's a stabilizing factor that has historically (4 or 5 thousand years) kept politicians honest in monetary expansion.

Comparing the DOW and gold since XXXX is stupid, if you want real gains, you have to move in and out of stuff.

BTW, every instance you get to cite for golds poor performance is inevitably caused by government intervention to save their paper. Volker did most of the damage in the last breakdown in the 80's by jacking interest rates through the roof...

196 posted on 06/01/2006 3:47:03 PM PDT by Axenolith (Got Au? Ag?)
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To: Proud_texan

Contrary to what some have concluded, I favor real estate over gold or stocks or other things. It's real. It's not going anywhere. There is no more of it. Transfer of title takes a certain path, and one can rely on deed records to determine clear title.

Investment is like life. When you're 30, canoeing down the rapids sounds like fun. When you're 55, it sounds like trouble.


197 posted on 06/01/2006 3:51:10 PM PDT by David Allen (the presumption of innocence - what a concept!)
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To: Beelzebubba
No one is saying that gold was a better investment for stocks.

You feeling okay? You're making sense :^)

Some believe that gold will IN THE FUTURE preserve wealth better than stocks.

Yes, many confused people believe a lot of silly things.

You can disparage them as "gold bugs."

And I do. I'm going to buy some gold. As soon as they raise the dividend it pays.

198 posted on 06/01/2006 3:51:58 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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To: Axenolith
I'm arguing that it's a stabilizing factor that has historically (4 or 5 thousand years) kept politicians honest in monetary expansion.

Yes, a gold based currency makes it difficult for politicians to inflate the money supply. You don't think we should go back on a gold standard, do you?

Did we have less inflation/deflation while we were on the gold standard?

199 posted on 06/01/2006 3:55:20 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

The dollar has lost about 98.5% since the FEDs inception and it's accelerating.


200 posted on 06/01/2006 4:00:52 PM PDT by Axenolith (Got Au? Ag?)
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