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To: 300magnum
As an Alabamian and a conservative lawyer living in Montgomery, I call tell you that Roy Moore is no conservative.

He is a demagogue who is strongly supported by trial lawyers in this state, and that's the undisputed record.

While I am certainly sympathetic with his position on the 10 commandments, I cannot follow his Man from La Mancha approach of defying court orders.

Isn't that what the San Francisco Mayor did when he performed gay marriages -- he made his own decision the the state law was unconstitutional.

What if liberal judges start ignoring Supreme Court orders on gay marriage, prayer in public places, etc.

The result would be SHEER CHAOS!

The proper way to go about this is to petition our elected representatives to change the law, and elect or encourage the appointment of judges who follow the rule of law.

If Moore thinks as the judge of an inferior (i.e., lower) court that he has the right to defy the orders of the Supreme Court, then why as a litigant should I follow any order he enters with which I disagree?

Again, Moore's position will lead to chaos and anarchy.

11 posted on 06/01/2006 6:20:44 AM PDT by CWW (GOP 2008 Dream Ticket -- George Allen (Pres) and Mark Sanford (V.P.))
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To: CWW

Maybe a little chaos is the only way to pay back the liberal scum who have infected this coutnry since the 1960s. One of these days there will be a settling of accounts.


12 posted on 06/01/2006 6:23:57 AM PDT by ohioman
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To: CWW
Again, Moore's position will lead to chaos and anarchy.

Compared to Kennedy, Kerry, Clinton, etc.? I don't think so.

14 posted on 06/01/2006 6:30:35 AM PDT by 300magnum (We know that if evil is not confronted, it gains in strength and audacity, and returns to strike us)
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To: CWW

This election is a very depressing choice. If it isn't Moore, the only option is Riley, who lied to get elected and then tried to shove through the biggest tax increase in Alabama history (and may do so again if reelected). Once a liar, always a liar.


19 posted on 06/01/2006 6:42:40 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: CWW

I'm from Alabama also, and am an extreme conservative.

You nailed Roy Moore - He is a demagogue.


23 posted on 06/01/2006 6:56:53 AM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right....)
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To: CWW
I cannot follow his Man from La Mancha approach of defying court orders.
LOL!
SO, we are no longer a Constitutional Republic then? We are ruled by the elite group who have appointed themselves the authority over the Law. Instead of applying the law, they anoint themselves with the authority to make up the law as they go.
I see.

When I was in the military, there was a very strict chain of command. The penalties for ignoring orders could be severe and swift. However, I was under no obligation to to follow any order given me that violated regulations. I disobeyed a couple of direct commands. One was a direct order given me by a Colonel (I was an E5 at the time), that could have placed 12 of our aircraft and pilots in danger. Although he outranked me by far, gave me a direct command, I determined that it was a command that was invalid because it was outside the regulations.
In judge Moores case, the Federal Government is forbidden by the US Constitution to have an opinion on establishment of Religion. The "order" was outside his authority.

Now, before one decides to take this course of action, you must be sure that the ultimate authority (We the people) will support you. That did not happen in Judge Moores case.

If Moore thinks as the judge of an inferior (i.e., lower) court that he has the right to defy the orders of the Supreme Court, then why as a litigant should I follow any order he enters with which I disagree?
If he has no authority to give the order - then you would not be bound to comply, unless, as was the case with him, he had the power to assume illegal power and simply force you into submission.

Again, Moore's position will lead to chaos and anarchy.
An sir, you position is how we got where we are today. Where the congress is irrelevant on issues that the ruling elite (SCOTUS) deem important. They simply declare themselves as having the authority, and override the legislative authority of the Congress - and the sheeple comply.

The result would be SHEER CHAOS!
From time to time a little chaos does some good. Take, for example, China; they are an orderly society with little or no "chaos". Not very much freedom, but there is no chaos....for long anyway.

Cordially,
GE
25 posted on 06/01/2006 6:58:29 AM PDT by GrandEagle
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To: CWW

I used have a lot of respect for Roy Moore. However he soured on me when he endorsed the filibuster of Bill Pryor as federal judge. Roy Moore is a self-promoting clown looking to further his own financial gain. Hopefully, Riley will smash Moore hard in the upcoming Governor primary.


43 posted on 06/01/2006 9:20:43 AM PDT by Kuksool
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To: CWW

Moore's fundamental position as he argued it at the time was founded in the language (and interpretation) of the Estblishment Clause ("Congress shall make no law..."). He took the view that "Congress" meant the Federal Congress. Because Congress could make no law, the "Federal" government (any and all three branches) simply had no jurisdiction. In that reasoning, because no Federal judge or court has jurisdiction, any order on this subject had no validity.

Therein lies the absolute question. How do we read and correctly interpret the language of the Establishment Clause? Taken at its most rudimentary, it reads "Congress". It says nothing about states of local municipalities. So is Judge Moore correct or is he just articulating fantasy?


56 posted on 06/01/2006 11:31:13 AM PDT by Tucson (Age doesn't always bring wisdom; sometimes it comes alone)
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To: CWW; Clintonfatigued; Kuksool; AuH2ORepublican

Interesting how you smear Chief Justice Moore's good name all over this thread and you offer not one single criticism of the REAL abomination in all of this, the Carter-appointed anti-Constitutional apostate fraud-in-a-robe named Myron Thompson. Thompson disregarded the Constitution entirely with his so-called "ruling" and Moore upheld the 1st Amendment to the Constitution. He damn well not only had a right, but a DUTY, to disregard Thompson's "order." If a state judge obeying the United States Constitution is chaos, bring it ON ! Roy Moore belongs on the U.S. Supreme Court.


73 posted on 06/01/2006 6:48:22 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: CWW

Is this still your position?

“He is a demagogue who is strongly supported by trial lawyers in this state, and that’s the undisputed record.

While I am certainly sympathetic with his position on the 10 commandments, I cannot follow his Man from La Mancha approach of defying court orders.

Isn’t that what the San Francisco Mayor did when he performed gay marriages — he made his own decision the the state law was unconstitutional.

What if liberal judges start ignoring Supreme Court orders on gay marriage, prayer in public places, etc.

The result would be SHEER CHAOS!

The proper way to go about this is to petition our elected representatives to change the law, and elect or encourage the appointment of judges who follow the rule of law.

If Moore thinks as the judge of an inferior (i.e., lower) court that he has the right to defy the orders of the Supreme Court, then why as a litigant should I follow any order he enters with which I disagree?

Again, Moore’s position will lead to chaos and anarchy. “

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82 posted on 12/12/2017 1:18:54 PM PST by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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