Posted on 05/31/2006 9:42:50 AM PDT by from occupied ga
I don't agree with this statement, but, for the sake of the argument, let us assume it to be true. Do you also forfeit the right to use the public highways, which you helped to pay for with your taxes, altogether?
Consider this scenario: You don't drive; you don't even have a driver's license. Perhaps you are blind, as you discussed in one of your previous posts. You own a car. (I'm assuming you would have no problem with someone who cannot drive merely owning a vehicle.) You hire a driver, or perhaps simply ask a friend or relative to drive you somewhere. Should you still be compelled by force, or threat of force, to wear your seatbelt? (Passengers are also required to wear seatbelts in most jurisditions that compel drivers to do so.)
Now the question of whether driving is a priviledge or a right is moot. The question becomes: Is the ability to travel freely on the public roads a right, or merely a priviledge? If you say it is still a priviledge, you have potentially restricted one's movements, unless they comply with the seatbelt law, as many places, including public and even government buildings where you may be compelled to go, are inaccessible without using the public thoroughfares. It may very well be impossible to walk where you need to go without traversing private property, permission for which may not be given, as many roads lack sidewalks, or even prohibit pedestrian traffic.
An interesting question, no?
the thing is...there ALREADY is a law
actually yes...about 50 dollars less
kiss my shift key
Actually I LOATHE what Lincoln did to the Constitution and what Bush is doing to it now. You CANNOT POSSIBLY achieve good ends with evil means. Good intentions do not and cannot excuse violating the Supreme Law of the Land, ever. In the case of Bush, as it is most current, it would appear that he has no intention of doing what we hired him to do (like secure our borders) but yet EVERY intention of doing all he can to achieve each and every non- and UN-Constitutional thing he can get away with... such as the USA-PATRIOT Act and No Child Left Behind and that God-AWFUL prescription drug thing, NONE of which is done under any possible authority granted by the Constitution. But you agree 99 percent with what Bush does... which says volumes about YOU.
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so the patriots who founded this country you must also loathe...they went against english law to rise up against the government and the constitution. i hired him to run the government. Protecting our borders is not the only thing. WE have the border patrol. he has called on the national guard...he is protecting our borders and security by way of the patriot act. I have lost no liberties since it implication....in fact the only ones losing liberties are terrorists.
um no...i said so cal...namely CSUF...home of the Fullerton Titan Baseball Team...but no...i tend to write like this as i usually have many windows and IM's going...its a blog not an essay...i am an excellent student with perfect grammer...i just type might thoughts better this way.
however, let's be honest here......the police use such ruses to claim millions in fines for their departments.....the cops could care less if you die in an accident, but the thought of all that easy money......just waiting there....
and what better things could the cops do really?.....I mean, its not like drug abuse, child molestation, rape or murder are really that BIG of a problem, are they?....../sarcasm/
"so the patriots who founded this country you must also loathe...they went against english law to rise up against the government and the constitution."
I find this incomprehensible at best. The Founders WROTE the Constitution after the Revolution was over.
"i hired him to run the government. Protecting our borders is not the only thing. WE have the border patrol. he has called on the national guard...he is protecting our borders and security by way of the patriot act."
YOU hired him? How is it that we have reports of so many people coming over our southern border illegally if YOUR employee is doing his job properly? How is it that so many islamic articles are regularly found in the desert, abandoned? Things like prayer rugs and Korans. What are these people carrying that would be so much more important than the accoutrements of their "religion of Peace"?
"I have lost no liberties since it implication....in fact the only ones losing liberties are terrorists."
Go here (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/october2004/091004patriotact.htm ) to find a smattering of examples of MISUSE and ABUSE of your precious USA-PATRIOT Act.
You offer alternatives, but you do not expand our choices with those other modes of transit. In fact, you restrict our available choices.
In 1978, I was in the 'shotgun' seat in a 1968 'Cuda that had no seatbelts. The other car wasn't equipped with them either. In a headon collision at 35 MPH each, all 4 people walked away with relatively minor injuries that required treatment, but not hospitalization.
How in the world did we ever survive? According to you, that just isn't possible.
It didn't take long for the "driving is a privilege" faction to show up.
If you really aren't a socialist, you are their dream -- a lemming.
Governments are delegated certain limited powers. They can enact laws within that perameter. When they exceed their limits, the not only encourage disobedience to that law but to law in general.
Those who enforce those laws also lose respect as they are seen as meter maids with guns rather than peace officers.
Is there a law -- your line in the sand -- that you just won't obey? Will you turn in your guns if they pass a law? It's the law, you know.
Do you have a line?
LOL
He's been here 7 years and you, 7 months.
Patience wears thin after a while. We are all trying to point out the fallacies in your thinking and you are being obtuse about it.
This is a conservative site and one where liberty is appreciated for its utility. We don't cotton to nannystaters like you.
Regarding your deer scenario:
I have hit two deer. One in suburbia at 40 MPH without loss of control. One in the boondocks at 70 MPH and no loss of control. Didn't even kill the deer and didn't do much damage to the cars.
I also hit an animal (unknown) on the turnpike while driving at close to 100 MPH in a subcompact. Again no loss of control although I have no idea if the animal survived, but the car and the passengers did. That was my first collision with anything and I was a kid with little experience driving.
So, am I extraordinarily lucky or an exceptional driver to have not lost control of the car.
And people have been killed precisely because they were belted in. They obeyed the law and it cost them their life. Perhaps my scenario is rare, but so is yours. I prefer to make the choice myself. 4 years now without losing control or killing anyone.
Don't forget the early air bags that deployed with such force that they were killing people, mostly the frail and elderly, little kids, and small women.
It was another government_one_size_fits_all 'solution' that killed people.
Race cars are designed so that the pieces will break loose from the cage in a smack up. Nobody wants to put that kind of expense into building passenger cars.
Mandating a seatbelt interlock is more government coercion. Such thinking has added thousands of dollars to the cost of cars and not all of the outcomes have been good ones.
You still don't get it at all.
We are born with God's blessing of freedom. It is our birthright, and that includes the right to be an idiot by refusing to wear a seatbelt.
Insurance is a man-made construct - a societal decision to create the ability to indemnify. You don't have a constitutional right to insurance.
Your aregument is similar to the argument for gun control - it's okay to infringe on the peoples' Second Amendment right because we've made a societal decision, through legislation and a criminal justice system, to not permanently incarcerate people who can't be trusted with gun ownership.
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