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townhall ^ | 5/24/06 | Walter WIlliams

Posted on 05/31/2006 9:42:50 AM PDT by from occupied ga

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Some states require front and back seat. That's BS!!!!

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/people/outreach/state_laws-belts04/safeylaws-states.htm


561 posted on 05/31/2006 7:21:02 PM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Beelzebubba

States With Primary Safety Belt Laws


As of July 2004, 21 states, the District of Columbia and Puerto Rico have primary safety belt laws. New Hamphire is the only state that has no adult safety belt law.

State Who is Covered?
In What Seat?
Date of Passage Maximum Fine
First Offense

Alabama

6+ yrs. in front seat

1999

$25

California

16+ yrs. in all seats

1993

$20

Connecticut

4+ yrs. in front seat

1986

$15

Delaware

16+ in all seats

2003

$25

D.C.

16+ yrs. in all seats

1997

$50

Georgia

6-17 yrs. in all seats; 18+ yrs. in front seat

1996

$15

Hawaii

4-17 yrs. in all seats; 18+ yrs. in front seat

1985

$45

Illinois

6+ yrs. in front seat; all in all seats if driver is younger than 18 yrs.

2003

$25

Indiana

16+ yrs. in front seat

1998

$25

Iowa

11+ yrs. in front seat

1986

$10

Louisiana

13+ in front seat

1995

$25

Maryland

16+ yrs. in front seat

1997

$25

Michigan

4-15 yrs. in all seats; 4+ yrs. in front seat

2000

$25

New Jersey

7 yrs. and younger and 80+ lbs.; 8-17 yrs. in all seats; 18+ yrs. in front seat

1999

$20

New Mexico

18+ yrs. in all seats

1986

$25

New York

16 + yrs. in all seats

1984

$50

North Carolina

16+ yrs. in front seat

1985

$25

Oklahoma

All in front seat

1997

$20

Oregon

16+ in all seats

1990

$75

Tennessee

4+ yrs. in front seats

2004

$10

Texas

4-16 yrs. in all seats; 17+ yrs. in front seat

1985

$200

Washington

All in all seats

2002

$101

Puerto Rico

All in all seats

1975

$10

States With Secondary Safety Belt Laws

State Who is Covered?
In What Seat?
Maximum Fine
First Offense

Alaska

16+ yrs. in all seats

$15

Arizona

5-15 yrs. in all seats; 5+ yrs. in front seat

$10

Arkansas

15+ yrs. in front seat

$25

Colorado

16+ yrs. in front seat

$15

Florida

6-17 yrs. in all seats; 6+ yrs. in front seat

$30

Idaho

4+ yrs. in all seats

$25

Kansas

14+ yrs. in front seat

$10

Kentucky

More than 40 inches in all seats

$25

Maine

18+ yrs. in all seats

$50

Massachusetts

12+ yrs. in all seats

$25

Minnesota

3-10 yrs. in all seats; all in front seat

$25

Mississippi

4-7 yrs. in all seats; 8+ yrs. in front seat; law is primary for under 8 yrs.

$25

Missouri

4-15 yrs. in all seats; 4+ yrs. in front seat; law is primary for under 16 yrs.

$10

Montana

6+ yrs. in all seats

$20

Nebraska

18+ yrs. in front seat

$25

Nevada

5+ yrs. in all seats

$25

New Hampshire

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North Dakota

18+ yrs. in front seat

$20

Ohio

4+ yrs. in front seat

$30 dvr.; $20 pass.

Pennsylvania

18+ in front seat; 8-17 yrs. in all seats

$10

Rhode Island

7+ yrs in all seats; law is primary for under 18 yrs. (eff. 7/05)

$57

South Carolina

6+ yrs. in front seat; 6+ yrs. in rear seat w/shoulder belt; law is primary for under 18 yrs.

$10

South Dakota

5+ yrs. in front seat

$20

Utah

16+ yrs. in all seats; law is primary for under 19 yrs.

$45

Vermont

16+ yrs in all seats

$25

Virginia

16+ yrs. in front seat

$25

West Virginia

9-17 yrs. in all seats; 9+ yrs. in front seat

$25

Wisconsin

4+ yrs in front seat; 4-15 yrs. in rear seat w/shoulder belt

$10

Wyoming

5+ yrs. in all seats

$25 dvr.; $10 pass.


562 posted on 05/31/2006 7:22:21 PM PDT by Perdogg
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To: BlueStateDepression
Times and technology have changed and today could well be a great addition to the fold.

One of the definitions of insanity is to keep doing the same things over and over, hoping for a different result.

563 posted on 05/31/2006 7:34:02 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: BlueStateDepression; All

This looks like an absolute meltdown.


564 posted on 05/31/2006 7:36:30 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: 383rr
It's real simple. It's all about; 1. Money. 2.Control.

You forgot power

565 posted on 05/31/2006 7:38:53 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: RobRoy
That would be impossible to detect as "fake".

Until they mandate Dayglo colors, or flashing headlights if you don't have it buckled.

566 posted on 05/31/2006 7:41:01 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: BlueStateDepression
I can say with absolute authority that you have no idea what you are talking about. Your posting today has blown my mind.

Disagreement with a law is no reason to whine about the fines you get when you are caught breaking them.

I would much rather it not be a law but it is and I respect the Rule of Law and how it was put in place.

So by your rational, slavery was acceptable because it was supported by law.

I have offered my resolution to this issue. That being make cars require seatbelts to operate. Funny how noone wanted to talk about that SOLUTION because to many are too busy caling names and screaming about their "rights".

Your resolution is ridiculous and you are totally missing the point of everyone's argument. As to crying about being called names, stop acting like a communist and people won't call you one.

No seat belt law has been ruled unconstitutional nor will it ever be. The reason being is that choice is available, that is another point that I have made that goes undisputed.

Well, it must be nice having all those options in the city, but out here in rural America we can't take a taxi to work. You take away my car, you take away my ability to provide a living for myself. Call me lazy, but I will not ride my bicycle 25 miles through the snow.

When you rail againt the rule of law you rail against the very basic notion of conservatism, for when there is no law there is nothing left to conserve.

So, if I understand you correctly, the government is here to make rules for us to live by.

The statement you made about the deer running into people's cars is probably the dumbest thing I've read all day. Any collision with an animal that would knock an unsecured driver into the passenger seat of their car would almost certainly cause a secured driver to jerk the wheel in a manner which would have the same effect.

You claim that you are leaving Free Republic because the majority of people here refuse to conform to your idea of what a government is supposed to be. You should check out Democratic Underground. I'm confidant you will fit in there.

567 posted on 05/31/2006 8:35:51 PM PDT by KurtZ (The walrus was Paul)
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To: BlueStateDepression

I never said seatbelts don't help. I just posted the information provided by the same state that said they saved lives in this article.

Lights and seatbelts are as different as night and day. Not having lights, or brakes, or turn signals can harm others. Wearing or not wearing a seatbelt only injures the person who chooses one way or the other.

My husband and his best friend are both alive today because they were NOT wearing seat belts when an idiot ran a red light and hit them broadside some years ago.

I'm alive today because I WAS wearing a seatbelt when some idiot crossed a major highway and I slammed my brakes and went into a ditch instead of hitting him broadside.

I got my drivers license in the 1970's, long before seat belt laws, and was taught to use a seat belt. I don't need the daggonned grubbermint telling me to wear it. Wearing it doesn't make me a better driver.


568 posted on 05/31/2006 8:41:44 PM PDT by Gabz (Proud to be a WalMartian --- beep)
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To: Cobra64
Gabz, you forgot the gag alert re the Nanny Staters. See my post 339.

OOPS.....my bad.

569 posted on 05/31/2006 8:48:22 PM PDT by Gabz (Proud to be a WalMartian --- beep)
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To: BlueStateDepression
I gotta say that is a new one on me.

Sorry. I also meant to say on my last post that this admission of yours that I am educated and informed constitutes progress.

I hope it continues.

570 posted on 05/31/2006 8:51:45 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: Badray
Gabz, it's worse than that. 99% of all accidents were caused by drivers licenced by the state to operate motor vehicles on the highway at lethal speeds. ;-)

Not quite at 99% around here.........illegals don't have real licenses.

571 posted on 05/31/2006 8:52:42 PM PDT by Gabz (Proud to be a WalMartian --- beep)
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To: from occupied ga

I LIKE Walter Williams!


572 posted on 05/31/2006 9:03:43 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: elkfersupper

And he didn't even ping me!! :-((


573 posted on 05/31/2006 9:06:01 PM PDT by JoeSixPack1
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To: GregoryFul
Your misdirection is absurd

What misdirection?

all I did was post a statistic issued by the same state (where I live) that basically says the nanny state is not working, even though they claim the opposite.

My argument is not against wearing or not wearing a seatbelt, my gripe is with the mandate of it.

574 posted on 05/31/2006 9:06:13 PM PDT by Gabz (Proud to be a WalMartian --- beep)
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To: JoeSixPack1
And he didn't even ping me!! :-((

Some A-holes kept me busy almost all day, just working in responses to this thread in-between my three jobs.

Sorry, it won't happen again.

575 posted on 05/31/2006 9:23:08 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: elkfersupper

Wait, No, i didn't mean you.

I was referring to my name being in the meltdown post you were commenting on. :-)


576 posted on 05/31/2006 9:27:33 PM PDT by JoeSixPack1
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To: elkfersupper

3 jobs?? Wow.


577 posted on 05/31/2006 9:29:04 PM PDT by JoeSixPack1
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To: JoeSixPack1
Wait, No, i didn't mean you

I know, Joe.

I meant to start out with "Neither did I".

Been a long day.

578 posted on 05/31/2006 9:30:29 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: JoeSixPack1
3 jobs?? Wow.

Long story.

I'll tell you about it sometime, but not tonight.

Keep up the good fight.

579 posted on 05/31/2006 9:33:38 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: elkfersupper

Thanks, you too! And hopefully a good nights sleep!

Alternately, I have my JD with fancy shot glass and a fresh pot of coffee. The night is young. :-)


580 posted on 05/31/2006 9:39:42 PM PDT by JoeSixPack1
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