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1 posted on 05/31/2006 4:59:49 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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2 posted on 05/31/2006 5:00:26 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (One flag--American. One language--English. One allegiance--to America!)
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Did this guy forget the sex thing? How long does it take for 20 million to copulate and have 3 children?


4 posted on 05/31/2006 5:18:54 AM PDT by jeremiah (How much did we get for that rope?)
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The violent crimes institute in Atlanta estimates that there are around 240,000 illegal alien sex offenders in the USA and that they have an average of 4 victims each. From what I got from Fox and friends this morning, the illegal aliens usually find their victims while on the job they've been illegally hired to do.

I think it's time for the victims of illegal alien crimes to start suing the scumbags that hire them.


8 posted on 05/31/2006 5:27:51 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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Immigration is fundamentally driven by demand in the U.S. economy for workers.

This is fast becoming an outdated factor.
Immigrants are learning to use and abuse the system. Why be poor in mexico when you can come to the US , have a baby and be rolling in the dough.

I have seen the change in the attitude and work ethic.
We used to get the cream of the crop , people who wanted to work. But the tide is turned, now we are getting the ones who see a free ride and plenty of "services".


11 posted on 05/31/2006 5:32:40 AM PDT by THEUPMAN (####### comment deleted by moderator)
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I always thought the witch gave the apple to "Snow" White.


14 posted on 05/31/2006 5:35:53 AM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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All these number are meaningless until the borders are closed and the illegals here are somehow counted. BTW: We're not just talking about Mexicans.


19 posted on 05/31/2006 5:42:08 AM PDT by wolfcreek
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"To total 103 million legal immigrants over 20 years, immigration would need to average more than 5 million a year. During the past decade, legal and illegal immigration combined has averaged 1.5 million a year. Nobody who specializes in immigration believes current inflows will triple if even the most generous version of S. 2611 were to become law."

Total bullbleep. The proposed level for LEGAL immigration in the new Senate bill is 3 million a year. You can bet that those 3 million will bring in at least one other (spouse), and most likely children---and eventually they would probably bring in "mom and dad" on both sides. So any single initial immigrant would probably bring in AT LEAST 3 others--which gets the number up to 5 million a year quite easily.

But whaddaya expect from Cato. They are a subsidiary of the "big businees" wing of the Republican party.

28 posted on 05/31/2006 6:30:07 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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Virtually each and every "point" they assert in this Cato puff piece is a verifiable falsehood.

E.g., The Heritage study wrongly assumes that almost all temporary workers will become permanent and eventually citizens.

That is what the liberals/RINOs have been campaigning for. And its what those millions of Illegal Demnonstrators were seeking. So this spin piece evades acknowledging that Political Reality.

This ignores the fact that Mexican migration has traditionally been circular, with most Mexican migrants eventually returning home.

This ignores the undeniable pattern of the "gross flow" and long-duration establishment into the U.S. And then, if they leave to visit family, they come right back to the States through the ridiculously porous border...with more of them. That's how it gets up to 20 million new illegals in just 19 years.

31 posted on 05/31/2006 6:57:50 AM PDT by Paul Ross (We cannot be for lawful ordinances and for an alien conspiracy at one and the same moment.-Cicero)
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To total 103 million legal immigrants over 20 years, immigration would need to average more than 5 million a year.

That number was revised to 60 million once amendments were made to the Senate bill that imposed some caps. The Heritage study also included the 12 million (probably closer to the 20 million) illegals who would be granted permanent status, which allows them to bring in families before even getting their citizenship.

Only about 60% of the illegals come from Mexico. 25% of the illegals get here with a legal visa (student, tourist, etc.) and then just stay.

32 posted on 05/31/2006 7:07:20 AM PDT by kabar
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Few are wilder than a prediction from a well-known think-tank that the
reform bill just passed by the Senate will result in 103 million legal
immigrants to the United States during the next 20 years.


Well, I guess this guy is saying that the US Senate bases policy on
bad numbers.
Because those projections actually pushed the US Senate to pass
the Bingaman Amendment that drove that 103 million down to 66 million.

This piece might as well have come from The Wall Street Journal...
35 posted on 05/31/2006 7:25:25 AM PDT by VOA
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Daniel Griswold = "A Flood of Bad Numbers".

He never, ever tells the truth...and is one of the most misleading charlatans with numbers I have seen from the Globalism Gurus.

As the old maxim goes, Figures Lie and Liars Figure.

37 posted on 05/31/2006 7:36:15 AM PDT by Paul Ross (We cannot be for lawful ordinances and for an alien conspiracy at one and the same moment.-Cicero)
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42 posted on 05/31/2006 9:36:08 AM PDT by gubamyster
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The Heritage study wrongly assumes that almost all temporary workers will become permanent and eventually citizens. This ignores the fact that Mexican migration has traditionally been circular, with most Mexican migrants eventually returning home.

If this is true, then why do we need to consider offering them a pathway to citizenship.

susie

43 posted on 05/31/2006 10:18:22 AM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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This is an argument that has cropped up since the Heritage report. What it basically says is that the new limits are so high that they will never be met because there are not enough potential immigrants to physically fill them. That is the very definition of open borders.

In what was truly an amnesty

So is this.

This ignores the fact that Mexican migration has traditionally been circular, with most Mexican migrants eventually returning home.

I would like to see proof of this.

Immigration estimates from the 80s have been shown to be underestimates.

50 posted on 05/31/2006 11:58:30 AM PDT by jordan8
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During the past decade, legal and illegal immigration combined has averaged 1.5 million a year

The above statement is false. Last year the Border Patrol made almost 2 million apprehensions and although there are recidivists, far more illegals end up getting away.

51 posted on 05/31/2006 1:33:06 PM PDT by Ajnin (I)
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