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Who is the Cheap Labor Lobby?
Front Page Magazine ^ | January 24, 2003 | Ellen Almer

Posted on 05/30/2006 2:40:17 PM PDT by A. Pole

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To: Luis Gonzalez

Define Nationalism and indentured servitude.


41 posted on 05/30/2006 3:53:29 PM PDT by Candor7
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
The answers are revealing--once you scrub away the PC language, their definition of "overpopulation" frequently comes down to "there's just too many brown-skinned folks around here for my taste."

So what precisely are you saying...that there are just too damned many well-tanned Surfers Across the USA?

Kimmit, you sound precisely like Karl Rove, attempting to "guilt" a far better man than he, who opposed him on the issue of Border Enforcement and Illegal Aliens,... J.D. Hayworth.

God willing, he will be our next president. And Karl Rove's shadow will never again fall inside the White House lawn....except from outside the security fence, with his face pressed yearningly in the bars.

42 posted on 05/30/2006 3:56:39 PM PDT by Paul Ross (We cannot be for lawful ordinances and for an alien conspiracy at one and the same moment.-Cicero)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
Besides, "revolution and reaction" generally refers to the 1848-9 troubles in Europe,

And French Revolution does not? And English Revolutions and countless others?

43 posted on 05/30/2006 3:56:48 PM PDT by A. Pole (GWB believes that "guest worker" program will satisfy economy needs for cheap and plentiful labour.)
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To: A. Pole
Who is the Cheap Labor Lobby?

One group:
The fly-by-night roofing contractors using (presumably) illegals
in Mid-Missouri following the hail-storm damage of March.
44 posted on 05/30/2006 3:58:38 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Candor7

Simple question...define assimilate.

You set it up as a requirement, now define it.


45 posted on 05/30/2006 3:59:03 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Paul Ross
So what precisely are you saying...that there are just too damned many well-tanned Surfers Across the USA?

No, I'm saying that there are some folks who think there's too many brown-skinned folks around.

Interestingly enough, I didn't throw that stick at you...but you yelped as if you were hit.

46 posted on 05/30/2006 3:59:53 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: narby
Thats right, freedom isn't free or have you noticed?

BTW I immigrated from Canada, where the very model of multiculturalism, now espoused by those in the USA who wish to socially engineer a modern form of slavery ( labor pool)screwed Canada over for 40 years. Thats why I left Canada, it doesn't work. I earned my citizenship in this country, and expect others to do the same, instead of invading it.

Send em ALL back, and damn the modern day southern aristocrat plantation owners who would sell our nations society down the tubes so they can get rich on the sweat of people who are not free men and women, and have no wish to be. They just want the money and are willing to pimp away any chance of freedom for it. Definitely NOT citizen material.

47 posted on 05/30/2006 4:01:11 PM PDT by Candor7
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To: Luis Gonzalez
How much money is enough money to bus tables or clean bathrooms?

As much as the market would determine if significant immigration from Third World countries did not take place.

I guess $15 per hour, maybe?

48 posted on 05/30/2006 4:01:12 PM PDT by A. Pole (GWB believes that "guest worker" program will satisfy economy needs for cheap and plentiful labour.)
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To: A. Pole
And French Revolution does not?

Generally, no.

And English Revolutions and countless others?

Those were matters of which set of elites would be running things--generally, based on religion and not wealth (or lack thereof).

49 posted on 05/30/2006 4:01:49 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: Candor7

Define Assimilation


50 posted on 05/30/2006 4:02:02 PM PDT by Candor7
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To: A. Pole
I guess $15 per hour, maybe?

At those rates, you would have a choice.

Choice #1: a cheeseburger would cost $10.

Choice #2: you would get the choice of cleaning the restroom before or after you used it.

51 posted on 05/30/2006 4:04:28 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
"And French Revolution does not?" Generally, no.

A complete nonsense! Using silly phrase:
"revolution and reaction" generally refers to the 1848-9 troubles in Europe
will not erase mountain of historical experience.

The revolutions and reaction took place countless times over centuries of human history.

52 posted on 05/30/2006 4:17:31 PM PDT by A. Pole (GWB believes that "guest worker" program will satisfy economy needs for cheap and plentiful labour.)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
I guess $15 per hour, maybe?

At those rates, you would have a choice.

Choice #1: a cheeseburger would cost $10.

How many hamburgers can be served by one person in an hour? According to you only couple.

Read my tagline.

53 posted on 05/30/2006 4:20:20 PM PDT by A. Pole (If the lettuce cutters were paid $10 more per hour, the lettuce head would cost FIVE CENTS more.)
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To: narby

When you speak about immigration you use the trick so loved by the left and simply leave out the word illegal. Legal immigrants have always been welcome in this country to one degree or another but allowing open borders with no controls on who enters not only welcomes those who want to work here but those who have other business in mind. Most Americans are concerned by illegal immigration because they recognize the kind of immigrants we're getting with our open borders not only put a strain on our social services which citizens pay for but also recognize the cognitive dissonance of an administration which is waging a war on terror but leaves our Southern border unprotected.

Rush was correct to challenge the E-mailer. Free trade does not imply free movement of peoples else that would have been included in the treaty. Attaching your definition of open borders to free trade agreements such as NAFTA is disingenuous. However, the bill in the Senate could be termed the free movement of labor amendment to NAFTA so I take it you support that bill. Again, I will note that this movement of labor only flows one way since it's not possible for me or you to get a job in Mexico with the possible exception of working directly for an American firm there.

Your point about making the illegal immigrants America loving english speaking conservatives is laughable. Bush has indicated he won't sign the bill making english the official language (which was political pandering at it's worst anyway) and poor immigrants naturally tend towards the party that will give them the most benefits (at the expense of taxpayers). Guess which party that is. There never was a scenario wherein these immigrants will become Republicans.

One final point. The employment rate is not based on the number of people eligible to work, it's based on the number of people in the workforce and those actively pursuing work. Quoting our low unemployment rate as a reason to keep the borders open is a specious argument.


54 posted on 05/30/2006 4:29:53 PM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions-------and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: Candor7
BTW I immigrated from Canada

I understand your position. Dealing with INS is a pain the brookdale. Some of my co-workers are in your situation and it's a pain for them.

damn the modern day southern aristocrat plantation owners

I assume you mean SouthWestern farm owners. Actual southern plantations disappeared a long time ago.

I've met some of the farmers in Yuma AZ that depend on migrant workers. Those farmers are about third generation in that area. What you ask is that they put themselves out of business. Should one of them decide to pay enough wages to attract legal residents, they could never sell for enough to cover costs. Should *all* of them pay such wages, the farming will just be done a few miles south of the border, where there would be no such problem, and they are again out of business. These farmers have been here for generations, and it places them between a rock and a hard place to write laws that will close them down.

Oh, and these farmers. They're latino. They were born here, and speak great english, but they're latino heritage. You would have to force them to stop paying people to do the same jobs that allowed their great grandfathers to immigrate here decades ago.

55 posted on 05/30/2006 4:32:22 PM PDT by narby
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read later


56 posted on 05/30/2006 4:39:40 PM PDT by rattrap
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
Interestingly enough, I didn't throw that stick at you...but you yelped as if you were hit.

Nope, but I thought it was really interesting the way you are so busy throwing that stick around at other FReepers...and how similar it is to the same castigation used by the White House cadre against principled defenders of Sovereign Borders and National Security. Very interesting.

How often have we seen it espoused by the liberals, frequently democrat or worse, that constantly accuse Conservative Republicans of being racists. Never mind that the Democrats were the defenders of slavery and Jim Crow right up until the 60's. Or Robert 'KKK' Byrd.

57 posted on 05/30/2006 4:48:06 PM PDT by Paul Ross (We cannot be for lawful ordinances and for an alien conspiracy at one and the same moment.-Cicero)
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To: A. Pole

I used to work for a large Wall Street investment banking firm. When downsizing took place in 2002, there were few American workers left in the IT support group thanks to the H-1B visa program. The majority of workers remaining in IT support are now foreigners on work visas. American workers were forced out in favor of cheap, easy to exploit foreign labor. Of course, a large portion of the savings went towards a huge bonus for the CEO and not back into the company.


58 posted on 05/30/2006 4:50:11 PM PDT by ScottfromNJ
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
So what precisely are you saying...that there are just too damned many well-tanned Surfers Across the USA?

No, I'm saying that there are some folks who think there's too many brown-skinned folks around.

So your'e saying you're not one of "those folks" but that they exist...somewhere.

Mercy! I sure hope I don't run into any such bigotted anti-surfers!


59 posted on 05/30/2006 4:55:53 PM PDT by Paul Ross (We cannot be for lawful ordinances and for an alien conspiracy at one and the same moment.-Cicero)
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To: Paul Ross
So your'e saying you're not one of "those folks" but that they exist...somewhere.

I've run into them far more than you, as I am one of the brown-skinned folks they think there's too many of.

60 posted on 05/30/2006 5:02:07 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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