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To: torchthemummy
I don't have the time to counter your death penalty, WWII and military funeral positions.

Well, I certainly look forward to when a true intellectual such as yourself can take the time out of his busy schedule to weigh in on these issues and provide definitive arguments. (If you can, however, I would appreciate you responding on the appropriate thread, lest someone accuse us of hijacking.)

And as far as constitutional rights being whittled away - it is the left that has both successfully and unsuccessfully whittled away individual rights in favor of group rights (affirmative action, hate crime legislation, income redistribution, "living document" vs. "amendable Constitution", leaking national secrets, eliminate right to bear arms, etc.) so please spare me.

Could you please point out any instances in which I implied that I was amenable to anything on your little list?*

Frankly, I don't give a damn whether Constitutional rights are eroded using a liberal argument or a conservative argument. If the government uses popular sentiment to erode Constitutional provisions, I see nothing "conservative" about shutting up and accepting it. Evidently, you feel differently.

*I'm not entirely sure how "leaking national secrets" is an issue involving individual rights, but I'm sure you'll explain when you have the time.

236 posted on 05/30/2006 9:47:58 PM PDT by Dr. Nobel Dynamite
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To: Dr. Nobel Dynamite
Frankly you didn't point out what constitutional rights were being whittled away. Is it the Patriot Act, Gitmo, NSA wiretaps.?

I also never claimed that you supported any of the transgressions the left has performed in regards to Constitutional Rights so your defense is aimed at an accusation that never was made.

In regard to, I'm not entirely sure how "leaking national secrets" is an issue involving individual rights, but I'm sure you'll explain when you have the time.

The leaking of national secrets is being used to profess a concern for individual rights when the goal is really to further a collectivist agenda by weakening the opposition by any means necessary. Circular logic? Yes. The truth? Most assuredly. Other wise we would have multiple movies, tv series, university symposiums on the evil of the police states of the former USSR or current governments of Vietnam, China, Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea etc. and their perpetual violation (through elimination) of individual rights through secret police and violent enforcement.

Of course that cannot be comfortably allowed because the view is that the collectivist vision has never been properly practiced when the truth is that it never can be because such adherants have to reshape human nature. This, as before and forever more, can never be achieved without eliminating individual rights for the sake of collectivist utopia. The ACLU is at the forefront of this continuous push.

The ACLU supports boutique individual rights - race, sexual orientation, gender - that create a two-track vision that Orwell's "all animals are equal but some are more equal than others" sums up very nicely. The ACLU has a constant outlook that supports "individual group rights" so to wonder why some(one) on this board would immediately make an assumption that the ACLU would exploit this still-evolving incident is because the assumption, like so many other times, has been proven by an ACLU action. Time after time after time after time after...

In the end it has been you that has failed to highlight the conservative trangressors utilizing "popular sentiment to erode Constitutional provisions" while jumping to the defense of one of the leading liberal organizations that have perverted the true definition of individual rights so as to "erode Constitutional provisions."

237 posted on 05/31/2006 12:45:17 AM PDT by torchthemummy ("Patriotism...means looking out for yourself by looking out for your countryā€¯ - Calvin Coolidge)
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