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100 MPG cars come to Washington
Evworld ^ | 5/26/06 | Bill Moore

Posted on 05/29/2006 9:21:14 AM PDT by BlueSky194

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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
Yours is a toy - and a cool one at that. You don't drive it 50 miles to and from work. There is a difference and peopleneed to be aware of that.

Nope. I drive it to work (40 miles) every day. This is my daily driver.

I agree with you on the new tech. I stay pretty much cutting edge in everything I do.

When hybrids go to Hydrogen fuel cells and solar panels, I will be looking hard at them. That is the real tech of the future.

41 posted on 05/29/2006 11:47:52 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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When hybrids go to Hydrogen fuel cells and solar panels,

Unless you are 10 years old, you will never see it. Perhaps you will have solar panels that heat your water on your roof, but hydrogen is as far of as fusion.

Ethanol is cheaper and easier. Why switch to a gas and have to build a new infrastructure, when a liquid works so much better and can be grown by local farmers..

Indeed, solar i.e. transforming and transporting the sun's energy, is the answer. But our technology won't surpass mother natuer for a long time. We might improve upon it a bit, but plants have the right mix already. Grow 'um and burn 'um year after year. And when you need more energy either you grow more, grow more efficiently, or burn more efficiently. That is the challenge of the 21st century. The first to figure it out (India, China or the US) wins.

42 posted on 05/29/2006 11:55:58 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (The earth is an endowment. We should take care to spend the interest, not the principle)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
Diesels are awesome! In fact, I have a 1983 Diesel Oldsmobile that it simply a great car, not the best there is, but a great car nonetheless.
43 posted on 05/29/2006 12:08:06 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
Perhaps you will have solar panels that heat your water on your roof,

Actually when I talk solar panels I am talking photovoltaics.

We have working fuel cells now. The big prob is more efficient solar panels. Folks are working furiously on those as we speak. (getting better too)

Think of a car that has no gas tank, pumps, lines, injectors, pistons, spark plugs, cranks, cams, etc. :-)

Carbon Fiber body, Titanium alloy frame, fly-by-wire with only a joystick, heads-up display for instrumentation, Lexan wraparound cockpit, weight under 1000 kilograms, radar avoidance, IR viewing at night, almost no moving parts. WOW!

BTW, everything I describe can be built today. All we need is a bit more efficient cell. That is coming (and coming fast IMHO)

44 posted on 05/29/2006 12:15:05 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: BlueSky194

My other car is a 94 Geo Prizm. Held together with duct tape, but I don't care. Runs like a champ, good on gas. I leave the van & Jeep home most of the time.


46 posted on 05/29/2006 12:20:45 PM PDT by P.O.E.
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To: RadioAstronomer
That plug in power has to come from somewhere. We better build either more coal or nuclear plants.

Exactly. The local power plant burns fossil fuel and transmits the electricity over lines where most of it is lost. Very inefficient.
47 posted on 05/29/2006 1:36:45 PM PDT by clyde asbury
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To: RadioAstronomer

We don't have to import coal. Most people would recharge car batteries overnight when peak demand is lower, not during the day when we use the electricity to run AC for all the big box buildings that populate our cities.


48 posted on 05/29/2006 5:36:23 PM PDT by Pete from Shawnee Mission
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We don't have to import coal. Most people would recharge car batteries overnight when peak demand is lower

Ummm.... I don't think so. Most folks would plug the car in just as they were getting home from work (and turning on the AC). The evening hours are the peak hours.

49 posted on 05/29/2006 11:05:46 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: RBroadfoot
...."But, by then you'll have to buy a $3000 battery replacement"....

More like 5-6 years for battery replacement. (Max!) maybe 2-3 years, it depends.

The hybrid I'm waiting for is the hydraulic hybrid. It stores hydraulic pressure in an accumulator and is bled out to hydraulic motors at the wheels or differential. No batteries! Also unlimited power at take off until the pressure bleeds down. The gas or diesel engine would kick in about 1500 lbs and cut off about 4k lbs. The accumulator could be as large as you have space for. Ford is working on Excursion size vehicles that could get 30mpg. If it can't pull a 28ft boat, what good is it?

50 posted on 05/29/2006 11:36:38 PM PDT by chuckles
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I read that one of the hybrid manufacturers offers a 10-year warranty. (I forgot whether it was Ford, Toyota or Honda. I didn't care that much because I won't by a hybrid until the bugs are worked and reliability is assured, if ever.) Anyway, I'm sure it's a prorated warranty like an ordinary car battery.


51 posted on 05/30/2006 7:24:10 AM PDT by RBroadfoot
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