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How Low Can We Go? SAT scores dropped significantly this year. Blame the schools, not the test.
The Wall Street Journal ^ | Friday, May 26, 2006 12:01 a.m. EDT | BY DAVID S. KAHN

Posted on 05/29/2006 4:05:52 AM PDT by .cnI redruM

Colleges across the country are reporting a drop in SAT scores this year. I've been tutoring students in New York City for the SAT since 1989, and I have watched the numbers rise and fall. This year, though, the scores of my best students dropped about 50 points total in the math and verbal portions of the test (each on a scale of 200 to 800). Colleges and parents are wondering: Is there something wrong with the new test? Or are our children not being taught what they should know?

Before 1994, the verbal section of the SAT was about 65% vocabulary (55 out of 85 questions) and 35% reading comprehension. Then the Educational Testing Service shortened and reworked the test, devoting half of the 78 questions to each area. Last year ETS changed the test again, and now it is heavily skewed toward reading: 49 of the 68 items require students to read, synthesize and answer questions.

In such a way, ETS has increased the penalty for not reading throughout one's school years.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: act; education; edumakashun; ets; frnerds; hiskcooledukasion; hseducation; sat; satscores; schools; sleep; testing; wakeup
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Quickly Batman! We'd better "race norm" these SAT scores before the truth gets out.
1 posted on 05/29/2006 4:05:56 AM PDT by .cnI redruM
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To: Hyzenthlay

ping


2 posted on 05/29/2006 4:15:51 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: .cnI redruM

Just throw more and more money at the schools and towards the teachers unions.
Seems to have worked well up to now.
And drop any and all attempts at holding teachers accountable for their students.
Also keep allowing disruptive and criminal students to remain in normal classrooms to disrupt normal education for those caring to learn.
FOOLS.


3 posted on 05/29/2006 4:25:45 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (an enemy of islam)
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To: .cnI redruM
Don't worry, this thread will soon be flooded by public school teachers that will blame all the low scores on the parents.
4 posted on 05/29/2006 4:27:15 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Juan Williams....The DNC's "Crash test Dummy" for talking points.)
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To: .cnI redruM

Couldn't they administer last years test and compare scores? That would eliminate or convict the changes made to this years test.

LLS


5 posted on 05/29/2006 4:32:59 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: .cnI redruM

Race is not even mentioned in this article! LOL


6 posted on 05/29/2006 4:37:12 AM PDT by cyborg (I just love that man.)
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To: Joe Boucher

No, American industry just needs to stop hiring what American schools produce. Given the current state of our immigration debate and given the typical composition of a grad school class at a major American university, that is already happening in a big way.


7 posted on 05/29/2006 4:42:11 AM PDT by .cnI redruM (Black holes are where God divided by zero. - Steven Wright)
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To: .cnI redruM
The Bell Curve (Herrnstein & Murray), you may deny its existence all that you wish but it is still there.
8 posted on 05/29/2006 4:42:14 AM PDT by dhuffman@awod.com (The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.)
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To: LibLieSlayer
I tend to think the new one is more accurate. Reading comprehension can't be taught by Kaplan in two weeks, if you haven't already spent years in school mastering the skill.
9 posted on 05/29/2006 4:43:40 AM PDT by .cnI redruM (Black holes are where God divided by zero. - Steven Wright)
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To: Beagle8U
I am a public high school teacher and from all accounts, a pretty good one. Here are some of the things we face: Seventeen percent of the kids in my large suburban school live in "reconstituted" families. That means that mom is living with a boyfriend, and the boyfriends rotate in and out.

Black kids seem to need to show that they respect themselves by not "acting white", which means they should not get good grades.

By the 12th grade, most kids have read fewer than five books in their life. And chances are those were required school reading.

In my AP classes seventy percent of the students are girls. The thirty year war by the feminists against boys has largely worked. The number of boys going to college is off dramatically.

Kids today, in class, fully expect to be entertained. Large numbers of middle class kids refuse to do any homework and when I call home to talk to mom (she's most likely out with her newest boyfriend) I get the answering machine. Most of my calls are not returned. Most kids in non AP classes NEVER study for a test, they try to get by with what little they pick up in class.

When class failure numbers go up teachers are called in for an administrative conference becks they are "failing" their students.

Until society goes back to 1950s type expectations are culture will continue to deteriorate, and our educational system will continue to fail.
10 posted on 05/29/2006 4:55:28 AM PDT by kjo
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To: kjo

I meant seventy four percent not seventeen.


11 posted on 05/29/2006 4:56:25 AM PDT by kjo
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To: .cnI redruM

The fact that both the ACT and SAT folks feel that they've had to dumb down their tests is the most telling indicator that most, not all mind you, but most teachers aren't doing their jobs. The NEA has totally abandoned the idea of teaching the Three R's in favor of the two M's(More Money).

I've always taken standardized test scores with a grain of salt because you score points on the test simply for filling in the bubbles on the scantron that spell your name. Some of the dimmest bulbs in my senior class aced the ACT, while our valedictorian had to take it twice just to get into college(it turned out she had filled in the wrong bubble where it asked which version of the test she was taking and the computer crucified her for the error).

I took the SAT as a high school sophomore in 1985 and scored a 1300. Of course, I spent a couple of weeks prepping for it, then was surprised at how easy it was- except for some of the math questions, but I hadn't taken algebraII or trig at that point. I took the old ACT one blustery fall morning the day after my senior homecoming. Went in still half-drunk, hungover, and was struggling just to stay awake. Result? Highest score in my class(high enough to get into nearly any college I wanted, including a couple of Ivy League schools). I guess I managed to spell my name right on the scantron. ;^)


12 posted on 05/29/2006 5:00:12 AM PDT by ABG(anybody but Gore) ("By the time I'm finished with you, you're gonna wish you felt this good again" - Jack Bauer)
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To: .cnI redruM

You may very well be correct, and I think that you are.

A controlled test group (taking the old test) would prove or disprove your thesis.

LLS


13 posted on 05/29/2006 5:00:47 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: kjo

kjo,

I am not a teacher, but your post conforms to what I think I know about our schools.

In the final analysis, it all starts in the home and home includes church, society as a whole, etc. Teachers cannot be expected to solve all of society's shortcomings that appear on their doorsteps in the form of students.

Having said that, there are problems with some, certainly not all, teachers and the teachers' union.


14 posted on 05/29/2006 5:05:03 AM PDT by Loyal Buckeye
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To: kjo

That makes your post even more tragic. I have heard the same type of thing from teacher friends. Thanks for staying in the field.


15 posted on 05/29/2006 5:05:16 AM PDT by secret garden (Dubiety reigns here)
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To: secret garden; kjo

It's tough and it gets worse. I used to teach mathematics. I left to work as a civil servant. Within four years, I had more than doubled what I would have earned teaching high school. Bad enough, right?

But getting out of the classroom caused my entire health and outlook on life to improve considerably. Teachers are paid far too low for a job that can quite literally wreck their lives, if they take it all too personally.


16 posted on 05/29/2006 5:18:25 AM PDT by .cnI redruM (Black holes are where God divided by zero. - Steven Wright)
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To: ABG(anybody but Gore)
The NEA is only one facet of the problem. School administrations are in the business of making problems go away by administering short term solutions. That means that whoever is the biggest pain in the rear end, wins any argument. You can extrapolate from there as to how that ruins any sort of accountability.
17 posted on 05/29/2006 5:21:18 AM PDT by .cnI redruM (Black holes are where God divided by zero. - Steven Wright)
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To: kjo
Until society goes back to 1950s type expectations are culture will continue to deteriorate, and our educational system will continue to fail.

If parents were required to pay for the education of their children, only then will America see a dramatic increase in scholastic ability. I think it was Milton Freidman who pointed this out: product quality is the most important when you spend your own money on a product for yourself; product quality is least important when you spend another person's money for a product for someone else. What america needs is seperation of education and state.

18 posted on 05/29/2006 5:22:48 AM PDT by ALPAPilot
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To: ALPAPilot
>>>>If parents were required to pay for the education of their children, only then will America see a dramatic increase in scholastic ability.

Classic Tragedy of The Commons. People don't see some thing's value, if they don't pay for it.
19 posted on 05/29/2006 5:25:11 AM PDT by .cnI redruM (Black holes are where God divided by zero. - Steven Wright)
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To: .cnI redruM

I blame the schools, but I also blame the culture. Let's face it, kids don't read like they used to. They don't study, either. They just IM.


20 posted on 05/29/2006 5:27:02 AM PDT by Brilliant
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