Unfortunately I don't have time to really debate on this thread or many others lately. But I have to point out a few assertions you make as though they are fact, when they are not.
You claim that everyone opposed to the homosexual agenda (you mention the ping list) claims that homosexuality is a choice. This is a lie, you know it, and if you insist on this lie, please find some quotes from those who post regularly about the topic of homosexuality. I for one have never said that, nor has Scripter, DBeers, nor many others. To engage in any sex act (or any action) is a choice, but to feel attraction for the same sex is not, for most homosexuals, a choice - although some admit it was, indeed, a choice.
You also assert that those who object to the homosexualization of the US are "fundamentalist Christians". This is also not true. People of every faith and none realize the dangers of the normalization and promotion of homosexuality. Personally, I am a lifelong student of the Vedas. Every religion in the world has the same moral principles regarding sexual restraint and behavior.
Another asserion you made is that 75% of all new HIV infections are in heterosexual women. Could you cite some references on that?
Good post -I would venture to say that the necessity for a Zotting grows ever imminent...
Hello Little. Been a while since we last chatted on the David Parker debacle. Anyway, my normal method of responding to folks is to put their exact statement in the post and respond. Many here like to create the straw man. They "restate" what I said so that it becomes an absurdity just as this statement is. All of those opposed to homosexuality are not all, by any stretch, on the ping list. However, if you or anyone on it wishes to deny the "choice" diagnosis that has so often been repeated here, I will accept that.
I for one have never said that, nor has Scripter, DBeers, nor many others.
I won't call anyone a liar. I can debate without such ad hominem attacks. But that statement is simply incorrect. I was threatened with expulsion for suggesting there was evidence available supporting that far more than choice was the cause.
To engage in any sex act (or any action) is a choice, but to feel attraction for the same sex is not, for most homosexuals, a choice - although some admit it was, indeed, a choice.
So exactly what are you saying? Is it a choice, or is there some genetic or other natural physiological explanation? Conduct is always a choice, but condition is not.
You also assert that those who object to the homosexualization of the US are "fundamentalist Christians".
Again, you are restating my comments such that their meanings are changed. You seem to omit the fact that I said that most Americans are anti gay marriage. You forgot that I agreed with the 11th Circuit opinion. Did you not recollect that I said that many states have outlawed gay marriage? Let's try and trade tit for tat with at least the correct wording. That is a ploy that some here frequently use. Paraphrase in such a way as to completely change the meaning of what someone says, thereby putting them on the defensive. Works well most of the time.
I was once challenged by a Freeper for arguing for profiling in the war on terror. My response was that not all Arabs are terrorists, but almost all terrorists are Arab. Profiling made sense to me then, and now. Certainly not all Christian fundamentalists are homophobic or consider gays and lesbians the greatest threat to civilization ever. But almost everyone who does is a fundamentalist. That's not a slam against religion. It is a fact.
People of every faith and none realize the dangers of the normalization and promotion of homosexuality.
Yes, to varying degrees as I have previously mentioned. I myself am against gay marriage in my state, and would vote against it if it ever comes up as a ballot issue. But most do not devote their lives to a crusade filled with half truths and misinformation, refusing to accept anything that does not fit their little view of the typical homosexual. Most have a variety of interests especially and including the war on terror, immigration, spending, crime, etc. For quite a few on the ping list, the former not the latter is true.
Personally, I am a lifelong student of the Vedas.
Interesting. Never ran into one of you folks before. Would love to discuss some time.
Every religion in the world has the same moral principles regarding sexual restraint and behavior.
Yet most are far more balanced in their views than many on this ping list.
Another asserion you made is that 75% of all new HIV infections are in heterosexual women. Could you cite some references on that?
I'd be happy to if you seriously want to see the information and are willing to discuss it.
Take care.