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To: AbsoluteAwesome
Ploys like this are just a waste of time and tax dollars and don't help the country at all. If they really wanted to pass the amendment they should make a sincere effort to pass it, otherwise they should ignore it completely.

They should just ignore it. There is currently no need of an amendment. The only need is to prevent a non-homosexual marriage state from having to recognize a gay marriage from another state under Article IV if the Constitution. But the Defense of Marriage Act already does that. To my knowledge, there has been no challenge to the DOMA. If and when there is, I am confident all but the 9th Circuit will send it back. If not, given the makeup of the USSC, there is no chance the DOMA will be struck down.

Individual states should have the right to legalize any type of union/marriage they want, with no interferance from the federal government.

Congress has a host of important issues to deal with. Forget this amendment.

6 posted on 05/28/2006 5:52:47 PM PDT by MACVSOG68
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Oh don't get me wrong, I agree too. I just feel that talking about enacting a specific policy just to get elected than ignoring it is pretty low.


7 posted on 05/28/2006 5:55:17 PM PDT by AbsoluteAwesome
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To: MACVSOG68; AbsoluteAwesome; madprof98
Individual states should have the right to legalize any type of union/marriage they want,...

It is already an established legal fact that they do not:

It was landmark U.S. Supreme Court precedent Reynolds v. United States in 1878 that made "separation of church and state" a dubiously legitimate point of case law, but more importantly; it confirmed the Constitutionality in statutory regulation of marriage practices.

“Laws are made for the government of actions, and while they cannot interfere with mere religious belief and opinions, they may with practices...”

Reynolds v. United States, 98 U.S. 145, 8 Otto 145, 24 L. Ed. 244 (1878).

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Late Corporation of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints v. United States, 136 U.S. 1, 10 S.Ct. 792, 34 L. Ed. 478 (1890). Revised as 140 U.S. 665, 11 S.Ct. 884, 35 L. Ed. 592 (1891).

Marriage is a religious “rite,” not a civil right; a secular standard of human reproductive biology united with the Judaic Adam and Eve model of monogamy in creationist belief. Two homosexuals cannot be “monogamous” because the word denotes a biological procreation they are not capable of together; human reproductive biology is an obvious secular standard.

Congress, state legislatures and public referenda have statutorily determined polygamous, pederast, homosexual, and incestuous marriages are unlawful. No Constitutional Amendment restricting marriage is required to regulate such "practice" according to the Reynolds decision.

All adults have privilege to marry one consenting adult of opposite gender; therefore, Fourteenth Amendment "equal protection" argument about "privileges and immunities" for homosexual marriage is invalid. Driving, marriage, legal and medical practices are not enumerated rights; they are privileged practices that require statutory license. Nothing that requires a license is a right.

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The only need is to prevent a non-homosexual marriage state from having to recognize a gay marriage from another state under Article IV if the Constitution.

Wrong again, you did not read Article IV... Congress only needs to pass a statute.

Pay attention to the words in red:

Article. IV.

Section. 1. Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof.

It needs to be resolved immediately by a total refutation with logic that homosexual monogamy is not possible. It needs to be banned totally and put to rest through an Amendment so that liars like you cannot foist it upon us.

No person can logically say that carnal practices engaged by homosexuals are consistent with human anatomical function. It is obvious, and an impervious secular argument to say that biology is a standard by which we can measure. The hormonal drive to mate is biologically heterosexual.

Either homosexuality is a choice, a birth defect, or it is a mental illness. Take your pick. It is a filthy disease generating behavior and is a risk to the public health.

MACVSOG68, you are not a skillful liar...

12 posted on 05/28/2006 7:30:04 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: MACVSOG68
Posters such as yourself are clear and compelling justification for an amendment.

Let's get it done. You are free to rage in silence.

52 posted on 05/29/2006 3:33:41 PM PDT by JCEccles (“It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself.” Jefferson)
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