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Your posting and quoting style is very hard to read. I don't believe I advocated that homosexual advocates should be given time to present their viewpoints to children, nor should they be given special privileges and such.

My suspicion is that homosexual attraction, like many addictive disorders, results from a variety of factors, both genetic and environmental. It would seem that there are some people who are attracted others of the same sex, but do not like being so attracted; these people would like to cure what they see as an affliction. In response to your question about "who cares", I would say that the only reliably effective way to cure an affliction is to recognize and diagnose it. Society at large might not care about the condition, but anyone seeking to treat or study it certainly should.

You have correctly identified the paradox that homosexual practitioners are trying to turn into scam. Additionally, those who refuse to logically think the situation through are helping perpetrate this scam on the American public.

In discussing the issue, I think it is very important to be clear about terminology. Terms like "psychosis" which have multiple meanings are not helpful. I see no reason for believing homosexuals must be delusional. If a person gets physical pleasure from having parts of their body manipulated a certain way, that physical pleasure is a matter of fact regardless of whether the manipulation in question is useful or healthy.

Your posting and quoting style is very hard to read.

Sorry. I try to italicize the quote to which I am responding. My current comments are in normal black font. I color code and italicize quotes from other sources or old posts, usually using blue for my own repeat items. For items I want to emphasize, I use bold print and/or underline. However, I am willing to change to something that would be better if you have suggestions.

I don't believe I advocated that homosexual advocates should be given time to present their viewpoints to children, nor should they be given special privileges and such.

Sorry, again. I never intended to imply that you did. The original post that started this thread was about giving ex-homosexual practitioners equal time in schools to present their side in contrast to currently practicing homosexuals presenting theirs to school children unrebutted. That was the source of the comment. I hope this has clarified the situation for you.

My suspicion is that homosexual attraction, like many addictive disorders, results from a variety of factors, both genetic and environmental. It would seem that there are some people who are attracted others of the same sex, but do not like being so attracted; these people would like to cure what they see as an affliction.

To be seen as an affliction implies that homosexual behavior is a behavioral disorder. However, apparently a large segment of the homosexual practitioners do not wish it to be so classified. Additionally, neither, apparently, does the APA, having removed homosexuality from its list of mental disorders. If this line of reasoning is followed to its logical conclusion, then homosexual behavior is purely a matter of choice, not an addiction or any other kind of disorder. (Please note that I have not said that I necessarily agree with this line of thought.)

In response to your question about "who cares", I would say that the only reliably effective way to cure an affliction is to recognize and diagnose it. Society at large might not care about the condition, but anyone seeking to treat or study it certainly should.

You have no argument from me. However, I would call to your attention that the beginning of the thread was about societal reaction to homosexual presentations in school, something in which society should be deeply interested. My point in asking rhetorically who cares was to logically establish the fact that what goes on in an individual’s head (thoughts or emotions) is none of society’s business unless, and until, that individual chooses to act on those thoughts or emotions or the thoughts and emotions are symptoms of a mental disorder.

You have correctly identified the paradox that homosexual practitioners are trying to turn into scam. Additionally, those who refuse to logically think the situation through are helping perpetrate this scam on the American public. --- note: this is from one of my own old posts and was quoted in your most recent post.

In discussing the issue, I think it is very important to be clear about terminology. Terms like "psychosis" which have multiple meanings are not helpful.

Unless you are going to use purely medical terms or other such scientific jargon, practically ever term has multiple meanings or shades of meaning. Standard debating procedure is to define terms at the beginning of the discussion. I attempted to do so on this thread but others objected. Therefore, I am using a medical term, “psychosis” to describe a mental disorder. Repeated below for your convenience is my rationale for so using the term. Again, I am using blue font italicized for my old quotes and purple font for reference material with points I wish to emphasize underlined and in bold.

Psychosis - A group of symptoms in major mental illness that include loss of contact with reality, and breakdown of normal social functioning, and extreme personality changes. Psychotic episodes may be short-lived or chronic and worsening. People affected may experience hallucinations, delusions, regressive behavior, and an inability to control impulses. --- Mental Health Glossary

Psychosis A mental disorder characterised by gross impairment in reality testing as evidenced by delusions, hallucinations, markedly incoherent speech or disorganised and agitated behaviour without apparent awareness on the part of the patient of the incomprehensibility of his behaviour, the term is also used in a more general sense to refer to mental disorders in which mental functioning is sufficiently impaired as to interfere grossly with the patients capacity to meet the ordinary demands of life.

Historically, the term has been applied to many conditions, for example manic depressive psychosis, that were first described in psychotic patients, although many patients with the disorder are not judged psychotic. --- The On-line Medical Dictionary

The common thread throughout these definitions are as follows:

First, a psychosis is a mental disorder.

Second, a psychosis usually distorts the sufferer’s perception of reality usually (but not always) resulting in dysfunctional behaviors.

Let us examine the application of particularly the second point above in relation to homosexual practitioners and those so oriented. A distortion of reality can be judged to exist in the mind of the homosexual practitioner in that his or her perception of the natural function of his or her genitalia does not conform to reality.

The natural function of human genitalia is complementary to the opposite sex and its primary purpose is procreation, i.e., propagation of the species. The homosexual practitioner and those so oriented, engage, or wish to engage, in activities that can in no way be judged to be providing complementary function of genitalia with the opposite sex. Additionally, homosexual activity can in no way result in procreation.

The bottom line conclusion is that homosexual activity and/or the desire for such can only be the result of a distorted view of reality. Additionally, homosexual activity is dysfunctional in that it can never result in procreation.

I see no reason for believing homosexuals must be delusional.

Please see the line of reasoning posted directly above.

If a person gets physical pleasure from having parts of their body manipulated a certain way, that physical pleasure is a matter of fact regardless of whether the manipulation in question is useful or healthy.

Using your line of reasoning, you would see nothing wrong with an individual playing “Russian roulette” if it gave the individual pleasure. Beyond the questionable mental health issue of this practice, if these individuals were playing with some else’s head next to their own would you still see no problem? Such is the case with homosexual practitioners spreading their diseases and attempting to spread their lifestyles to our children though the schools.