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When I made the point about the deportations not happening it was implied that there is no national will to effect such an effort.

OK, I understand where you are coming from now. I am trying to fight against the perception that is oft-repeated that since we have 12million illegals, deportation is not an option. Well, which is harder, deportation or making that many illiterate uneducated third world laborers part of your body politic?

I think that ICE raiding job sites unannounced has a chilling effect on employment of illegals. The media picks it up and while you can expect the slanted coverage of the MSM the impact is there. Word spreads, illegals start to get scared, employers think twice and suddenly things are changing. If the government fines a big employer then corporations start falling in line. If a few schools start denying enrollments then word spreads.

Tighten the border and you can slow the flow. Arrest and you can fingerprint and DNA them so we have a record of who they are. Release them back and tell them if we catch them crossing again they will be imprisoned.

Tell Vince Fox if he wants a guest worker program then he had better deploy his military along his side and keep his people in. If he can't then we start restricting work visas. Mexico needs the money coming in.

ICE can also check with schools to see if students enrolled with foreign visas are meeting their requirements and attending classes. Schools want to claim privacy? Fine. No student visas will approved for their institutions and if they want federal money then they need to play ball. Money is not free.

If you can substantially reduce the numbers by drying up employment, education and other benefits you can force them out. No midnight raids into homes, no cops raiding schools no employment police searching businesses and invading people's privacy.

The hitch in all of this are the illegals who have had children here. The kids are legal American citizens. Do we throw their parents out and make an American citizen leave? Do we take a child away from their parents? The conservatives who want illegals out are going to have to face this issue.