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A Recuperating Duck: George Bush had a pretty good month of May.
The Weekly Standard ^
| 06/05/06
| William Kristol
Posted on 05/26/2006 5:55:18 PM PDT by Pokey78
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To: WOSG
You are wrong. People on these threads are demanding deportations by the boatload.
There is nothing saying that we should not be cracking down on people who hire illegals from the lawncare people, to the painters, to the construction sites and even those nice rich folks who cannot seem to find it in them to raise their own children. The Senate bill is not the final piece of legislation as it will be worked out in conference with the House. Does it suck? Yes. But politicians are all about expediency and that's just what they are going to do. Claim they did something to reform immigration then go out and pander for Hispanic votes. Call it spineless, call it cowardly but don't forget to call it politics because that's what this is about.
My point was that Bush actually got something accomplished this month and no one seems to care.
To: SoCar
Go read the threads and you will find plenty of people saying DEPORT THEM ALL!!! and think that is actually viable. It isn't.
The watered down plan that the Senate is pitching is nothing but Hispandering. There was a way to work this far better than they have but they simply stand in fear of the democrats willing to sell out the country and regain power at any cost.
To: SoCar
Get burned a few times, and you'll see my point. Meanwhile, I suggest you keep a count of your silverware.
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posted on
05/26/2006 8:03:59 PM PDT
by
Cyber Liberty
(© 2006, Ravin' Lunatic since 4/98)
To: misterrob
Nobody in any position of power is saying deport them all. I agree with the rest of what you say though. What do you think of Pense's plan?
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posted on
05/26/2006 8:08:12 PM PDT
by
SoCar
(Get rid of Goober Graham!)
To: Cyber Liberty
I don't think Senator Sessions would steal my forks, but then again I doubt he's coming for dinner any time soon.
I do think that there are a few (only a few) good ones. Guess I'm an eternal optimist compared to you.
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posted on
05/26/2006 8:10:14 PM PDT
by
SoCar
(Get rid of Goober Graham!)
To: SoCar
There are a few. It's just to confuse us. Just don't invite any of them to dinner, and your silver will be safe.
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posted on
05/26/2006 8:18:54 PM PDT
by
Cyber Liberty
(© 2006, Ravin' Lunatic since 4/98)
To: SoCar
No, just the rabid FR posters.
I agree with EVERYTHING that he stated in his plan. I'd vote for him for POTUS if he ever chose to run.
To: misterrob
Guess we're on the same side then.
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posted on
05/26/2006 8:24:22 PM PDT
by
SoCar
(Get rid of Goober Graham!)
To: misterrob
["I don't like the fact that we have so many illegals in this country and I blame both Bush and the current Republican party..."]
Well, to be consistent, I would suggest that you should also blame Ronald Reagan.
In fact, if you look at the bill the Senate recently passed (a couple of days ago), the language in it is not much different than what was passed during the Reagan Administration.
To: peyton randolph
Does anyone really buy this argument by Kristol? I buy it and agree with it.
And I bet you it turns out to be the prevailing wisdom on the immigration debate. Just wait and see.
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posted on
05/26/2006 8:54:38 PM PDT
by
Jorge
To: misterrob
The horse is out of the barn folks. You will not see whole scale deportations of people. The public won't go for it, the media will sink it and if conservatives want to abandon him now then be prepared to accept what the democraps are offering which is going to be worse. Thank you! A voice of reason.
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posted on
05/26/2006 8:56:00 PM PDT
by
Jorge
To: peyton randolph
Does anyone really buy this argument by Kristol? He's becoming about as
credible as Dick Morris these days.
Dick Morris says "Build the border wall FIRST!".
It may be the broken-clock-right-twice-a-day...but in that case
Morris might be more sensible...
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posted on
05/26/2006 8:59:11 PM PDT
by
VOA
To: ken5050
(re: Rep. Shays)
...loud and clear, his constituents have told him that first, they want the borders sealed, then they'd focus on the other stuff
How about this from Lou Dobbs interviewing Sen. Hutchison tonight
(rush transcript at http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0605/26/ldt.01.html):
DOBBS: And senator, Senator McCain is saying you are doing the will
of the American people. Where in the world -- what planet is he on?
HUTCHISON: Well, Lou, I think that he's very sincere, and I think that...
DOBBS: Well, I am not talking about his sincerity. I am sure he is
sincere. I am just asking where in the world is his attachment to reality?
HUTCHISON: Well, it's not what I am hearing from my constituents.
I have been doing phone tallies, of course, to know where people
are, e-mails, faxes and phone tallies.
And this week I had 1,578 call in against the bill and 12 called in for it.
That's what I'm hearing everywhere I go.
OK, I'm sure poor Senator Hutinson has been spoofed by a bunch of border trolls...
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posted on
05/26/2006 9:12:08 PM PDT
by
VOA
To: Jorge
Doesn't mean I am one bit happy about it though...
To: LjubivojeRadosavljevic
But to go back and repeat the same mistake shows a real lack of fortitude. Hell even during BJ's time desecrating the WH enforcement was better.
To: misterrob
Doesn't mean I am one bit happy about it though... At least you accept reality.
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posted on
05/26/2006 9:50:11 PM PDT
by
Jorge
To: misterrob
["But to go back and repeat the same mistake shows a real lack of fortitude."]
Well, perhaps my good friend, you can remind me of the name of someone who said; "If we fail to read (understand) history we are bound to repeat it."
Gosh, somehow, I can't remember who said that...maybe you (or someone else) can remind me....
To: misterrob
When I made the point about the deportations not happening it was implied that there is no national will to effect such an effort. OK, I understand where you are coming from now. I am trying to fight against the perception that is oft-repeated that since we have 12million illegals, deportation is not an option. Well, which is harder, deportation or making that many illiterate uneducated third world laborers part of your body politic?
78
posted on
05/26/2006 10:33:14 PM PDT
by
Defiant
(I was willing to fight to the death for George W. Bush, but not to America's death.)
To: Jorge
OK, Jorge, let's see if this reality could come to pass:
Jail and fines for people who employ illegals (that's the current law, it's just not enforced);
Jail and fines for people who use false ID to get jobs. When they are caught, hold them, then boot them out. Not to border towns, but interior towns. Let them know that a second offense, if they try to come back, will result in serious jail time.
State initiatives to stop schooling, medical care and welfare benefits to illegal aliens. Let the ACLU sue; the Constitution does not require us to give benefits to illegals. Let's see if the Supreme Court wants to revisit this issue, now that Sandy is gone. By the time it gets there, we will be rid of one of the old geezers, and it will be a cinch.
Federal laws along the same lines, cutting off federal benefits for illegals. A law denying automatic citizenship to the children of illegal aliens--that is not required by the Constitution because they are not "subject to the jurisdiction of the United States."
Every time an illegal is stopped for a traffic ticket, they are sent to detention and then deported.
Make it illegal to give them drivers licenses and bank accounts. If they are here illegally, they should not be allowed to have those things. Without them, they can't rent houses, buy things and live a normal life.
Pretty soon, the number of illegals here will drop substantially--from 12 million to a few hundred thousand stragglers, the ones who live the "hidden lives". Those are the ones we had 25 years ago, before Simpson-Mazzoli, the ones who came here to work for a few months, then went back home, unless they were caught by "la migra" first.
No need for mass deportations, although I see nothing wrong with it myself. Eisenhower did it to hundreds of thousands, and the rest saw what he was doing and went home on their own. I think Eisenhower did the right thing. We'd have to come up with a new name for it, though, in this PC era.
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posted on
05/26/2006 10:53:57 PM PDT
by
Defiant
(I was willing to fight to the death for George W. Bush, but not to America's death.)
To: misterrob
Ahem, politics doesnt *HAVE* to be about selling out this country.
The House passed a viable and responsible bill.
The Senate passed a vile special-interest-written sellout to open borders fanatics that is quite possibly the worst bill either House of Congress has produced in decades.
http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=15145
It will add 60 million immigrants to this country in 20 years. It has provisions that that guarantees our failure to enforce immigration law at the workplace. This bill represents the greatest increase in welfare in 35 years.
The 'temporary worker program' is anything but, its a way to mainline millions of immigrants, working or not, and having the lowest skill levels and education and wage levels, as American citizens. We are importing Mexico's poverty and turning them into our underclass citizenry. ... the the tune of possibly 60 million more Americans.
It's a sellout of all our values of law-and-order, of fiscal responsibility, of American sovereignty. It is a catastrophe. A total catastrophe.
I didn't walk precincts, contribute thousands of dollars, put up signs, make phone calls, and help race after race after race for Republicans ... for *THIS*:
"But politicians are all about expediency and that's just what they are going to do. Claim they did something to reform immigration then go out and pander for Hispanic votes. Call it spineless, call it cowardly but don't forget to call it politics because that's what this is about."
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posted on
05/26/2006 11:04:44 PM PDT
by
WOSG
(Do your duty, be a patriot, support our Troops - VOTE!)
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