Posted on 05/26/2006 12:36:12 PM PDT by holyscroller
I'm worried about 06 right now. We need the GOP to start tossing some bones to the base. If (and suspect he will) Bush slides to the right on immigration and the House holds firm and torpedoes the crap from the Senate, I'll feel lots better. And they will hold the house. If they lose the Senate, I don't care. Frist deserves to get the boot.
Ooh you better hurry! That rascally rabit is getting away I tell you.
Seriously, I hear the RNC's fat lady clearing her throat. Looks like the devil got Bush's soul.
Sounds to me like the idiots in Wash are hell bent to make Pat Robertson's Tsunami prediction come true.
Yeah right. Take a laxative for that.
Well hey, if the Repubs don't WANT the conservative support, who are we to force it on them?
It won't happen for at least a generation and you can put the blame squarely on Bush (and all those Bush-bots that voted for him in the Republican primaries).
Compare him with Ronald Reagan. Reagan inspired the young. Reagan really had a vision. He's why we won the House and Senate.
Now what does Bush have? As far as I can tell he's never really gotten beyond being a former cheerleader from Connecticut. He has no vision. He's a shallow man. And he's wiped out a whole generation of potential future Republicans.
There's plenty of time. They just need to do the right thing. And I'm semi confident that the pressure we are putting on them will win the day. But it needs to sustain, and be relentless. When the GOP hears from the little guy, its one thing. When Rush & Hannity & Hugh Hewitt & Savage all agree, they know sumthin ain't right.
The constitution party is moribund. Almost as viable as the libertarians.
No way, MINE is.
Here in IL "The Combine" determines who will be an "R".
Heck the ILGOP is sooo bad that after it begs, literally, someone to run for the senate (Alan Keyes), it then publicly destroys him. Top that!!
Everyone here is complaining about being excluded from the convention, but it doesn't sound like they've been very active in the actual movement. I don't know if they're a real and legitimate group or not.
I don't think there's anything anyone could do to move Bush to the right on Immigration. That seems to be his #1 love, the single issue he cares most passionately about. Why, is beyond me. He just has this blind damn-the-torpedos, full-speed-ahead drive to move as many Mexicans and Central Americans into this country, and give every single benefit of being an American to them. If we're going to wait for him to toss us a crumb, I think we're going to have a long wait.
No it wouldn't. The problem with 3rd partys is that its usually a sporatic run by a single disgrunted party member or a member of a party (see Liberitarian) that has no real party platform.
But, what if you were to build an army based on a 1 party principle that all candidates agreed upon and swore to run upon? Get the party out front and center with a contract for American revitalization on 5 predominate principles
1) Stopping illegal immagration
2) Cutting Government by 30%
3) reforming public education
4) expansion of independant energy adgenda
5) Stopping judicial activitists
Then and run 1 member in each state in each race. Republicans would either jump ship or get thrown out and modeerate Dems sick of the wackjob hijacking their party would also bail! 3rd parties are doable. Republicans were a 3rd party behind Democraps and Whigs.
This is how this corrupt "Two-Party Cartel" does things. They will do everything possible to keep a true conservative agenda from flourishing because these bought & paid pols by the elites want liberalization. We better take to the streets or this elite/transnational/globalist group takes away more freedoms.
The Reagan Wing is a ligitimate group. A lot of mainstream Republicans hate them because they dare to speak up and make waves. Their most recent battle was over the King County platform. The county party named a Mexican-American as head of the county platform committee, and she ran a closed committee, and came up with an immigration plank that was soft, toothless, and ended up thanking President Bush for his squishy stand on the border. Through slick maneuvering from the convention chair, it slid through with the rest of the poorly written and "not-Conservative" platform without even being discussed. Much time was wasted on acouple planks at the beginning, while all the important issues were placed at the end. After lunch, a motion was made to just accept it all, and that's just what they did. This new breed of left-leaning Republican is killing the party.
If by 'moderate' you mean moderate in comparison to nutcase idealists like Reed Davis, who'd rather beat on George Nethercutt, who, for whatever flaws he had had as a candidate, was pro-life, pro-tax cuts, pro-WOT, had a 90+ ACU rating and deserves all our thanks for toppling Tom Foley, then a Democratic nutjob like Patty Murray, then I'll take that as a compliment.
And if by 'Moderate' you mean I think those on the fringe of the party like Reed Davis should have to play by the same rules as everyone else in the convention, then again, I'll take that as a complement.
And if by 'moderate' you mean someone who doesn't think any one person or group has a monopoly on what is and isn't a conservative position on an issue, then, well, again, I'll take that as a compliment.
I'd say all three of those positions are 'conservative' actually, but you can call them whatever you want if it makes you feel better.
But Diane Tebelius, who's good on every issue I've ever heard her voice an opinion on, has done more to help real live republican candidates of all stripes then all the nuts like Reed Davis ever has. They can yell and scream and throw rocks, like they usually do, but they won't help anybody in the conservative movement, including themselves. It's mastubatory.
P.S. I'll vote for virtually ANYBODY who runs against Sam Reed in the next primary if I'm still voting here (I'll probably be gone by then, but who knows.)
Subject: Diane Tebelius / Chairman / Washington State Republican Party / Staff
Diane Tebelius / Chairman Washington State Republican Party
On March 3rd & 4th I attended Jerry Miller's Jumpstart IV at the Hyak Lodge at Snoqualmie Pass. One of the program’s presenters was your Political Assistant Tim Kovis: Voter Vault - Finding your Voters.
I attended that presentation knowing that the 'Voter Vault', as managed by the Washington State Republican Party, is a fraud but I wanted to see how it would be presented by Tim Kovis. He presented it as a boon to all candidates, something in which all candidates should freely participate, reaping the rewards of being able to use information gathered by the PCO's, in their campaign for public office.
Kovis's presentation was a mumbled, stumbling, sometimes incoherent description of the various layers of the 'Voter Vault'. When Kovis got to accessing the 'Voter Vault', I raised my hand and asked him who had access to the 'Voter Vault'. Kovis's response was "all candidates have access to the 'Voter Vault’”.
I told Kovis that was not true and that he knew it. I rephrased my question by asking Kovis "who determines who has access to the 'Voter Vault'”? Kovis, obviously uncomfortable about being confronted on his lying, looked down and repeated that all candidates have access to the 'Voter Vault'. I again told Kovis that was not true, that he knew it and again asked Kovis "who determines who has access to the 'Voter Vault'?". Kovis again looked down and again responded that all candidates have access to the 'Voter Vault'.
It was at this point that Fredi Simpson, sitting on the edge of a table at the back of the room, spoke up and said that the County chairs determined who had access to 'Voter Vault'. For all that you and your supporters have said about Fredi Simpson, she answered the question truthfully, something that can not be said about you and your employees.
This is not the only time Tim Kovis has been caught lying. When I responded to an invitation to attend a luncheon with RNC Chairman Ken Melhman, Tim Kovis told me "We are currently at capacity for the lunch. I am sorry that we are unable to have you join us tomorrow.” I attended anyway and when I paid for the lunch, no mention was made by the restaurant that they were at capacity. And surprise surprise, most tables had three or four empty chairs.
I attended the September 24, 2005 Washington State Republican Party meeting held in Yakima. At the meeting Chris Vance literally pulled me into a vacant room to tell me that it was Mike Sheridan's decision to deny me access to the 'Voter Vault' for use in my campaign as the Republican nominee for King County Council District 2 and to not list me, the nominated Republican candidate, on the WSRP website with the other candidates. Chris told me if I would "apologize" to Sheridan for calling him a fat-assed fascist for denying me access to ‘Voter Vault’, Chris would tell him to write the letter that I had been requesting but which Sheridan refused to write, the letter explaining why I was being denied access to the ‘Voter Vault’.
I agreed to 'apologize’ to Sheridan and which, shortly thereafter, I did. To no avail. I did not and still have not received an explanation from anyone in the Washington State Republican Party administration, including you, as to why I was denied access to the 'Voter Vault' and why I was not listed on the WSRP website with the other Republican candidates. Other than to “Talk with Michael Young.”
Chad Bath told me the national party had had several conversations with Chris Vance and Mike Sheridan (and probably Tim Kovis) on this issue. Conversations in which Vance and Sheridan (and probably Kovis) were told I was at least owed an explanation, if for no other reason than to state that is was Michael Young, King County Republican Party Chairman, who told Mike Sheridan to not give me access to the 'voter Vault and it was Sheridan’s decision to not list me on the WSRP website with the other Republican candidates.
And I would not be surprised if it was Sheridan (or Kovis) who, when asked .... why I was not listed on the WSRP website with the other Republican candidates, said “he is not a Republican”.
As if you and your employees are in a position to declare to an unknown caller that someone who is a PCO, is very active in Republican politics and is the nominated Republican candidate for public office is not "a Republican".
And the reason that I bring this up? When you were installed as Chairman of the Washington State Republican Party you stated: "First, as your Party Chairman, I will always have an “open-door” policy. The role of the party can only be strengthened, if the “door” is always open to seek and receive your advice, consent and fellowship."
But you have done just the opposite. You have closed the open door of Chris Vance. You do not take telephone calls and you do not respond to e-mails.
And you have chosen to keep on your staff employees: • who do not support nominated Republican candidates, giving tacit support to the Democrat candidate, • who actively work to deny Republican candidates access to the state Republican Party ‘Voter Vault’ and website and • who unilaterally determine who is and who isn’t a ‘Republican’.And you threaten to sue anyone who calls themselves a ‘Republican’ without being ‘selected’ by the ‘Party’. It is true that “The role of the party can only be strengthened, if the “.... door” is always open to seek and receive .... advice, consent and fellowship."
But that is not going to happen as long as you and your fascist ilk are in control of the Washington State Republican Party. Is it?
Brian Thomas
1915 Precinct Committee Officer
Republican Nominee King County Council District 2
2006 Delegate, King County Republican Convention
2006 Delegate, Washington State Republican Party Convention
Exactly. I knew this before I read your post. That's how these people operate.
I suggest that you Mr. trubluolyguy looks before he leaps and knows something about the situation at hand.
Nah. It was Bush who nationalized the debate over two years ago. Meaning this: He heard the complaints of the border states and decided to do something about it. He has offered broad outlines and few specifics: 1) Shutdown the flow, 2) penalize employers, 3) Identify the illgals now here, and 4) Institute a guest worker program.
He is not responsible for some of the crap in the Senate bill that just passed, and he isn't buying the House's enforcement only version. He is somewhere between. He is a smart enough politician that he will shade himself to the right side.
Don't misunderestimate him.
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