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Guard will be armed on border[and have the inherent right of self-protection]
San Antonio Express-News ^ | 05/26/2006 | Sig Christenson and Hernan Rozemberg

Posted on 05/26/2006 11:23:43 AM PDT by SwinneySwitch

The National Guard's chief said Thursday that some of his troops will work close to the Mexican border and will be armed — with rules of engagement allowing them to fire their weapons.

"Any soldier assigned to a mission where he would be placed in harm or danger, where his life would be threatened potentially, will in fact be armed and will have the inherent right of self-protection," Lt. Gen. H. Steven Blum said.

The rules will be part of a larger memorandum of understanding that will guide the assignment of Guard members to the border. The agreement could be wrapped up today and sent to the border governors for their signatures.

Federal funding and troops could begin moving to states on the Mexican border next week once the Guard and Defense Department approve the document.

Blum added that the rules of engagement "will be the same in Arizona, California, New Mexico and Texas."

The comments, in a lengthy interview with the San Antonio Express-News, came as rules for the use of force were being ironed out at a meeting in Phoenix among representatives from four border-state governors and the National Guard.

The Texas National Guard's commander, Army Maj. Gen. Charles G. Rodriguez, said the talks on rules of engagement centered on "harmonization" between the states' different laws on self-defense.

Blum said he doesn't believe the Mexican government will react negatively to the presence of small bands of armed Guard members. Mexicans, he said, see the Guard "in a far more positive light than they would active-duty troops."

That, Blum said, is in part because of relationships established over decades with the Guard — which has helped support counter-narcotics missions — and the temporary nature of the arrangement.

The Guard is to stay on the border for two years as the Border Patrol and U.S. Customs boost their ranks.

All the troops along the Texas border initially will come from the Lone Star State, and be volunteers, said Col. Bill Meehan, spokesman for the Camp Mabry-based guard.

Rodriguez said several hundred soldiers could staff each of Texas' five border sectors, but predicted only a trickle of troops would go south in the early weeks of operations. They would be planners and liaison officers working with their Border Patrol counterparts in each sector, Rodriguez said.

Troops at vehicle inspection stops and engineers working along the border also could be armed. Weapons would vary, with soldiers carrying the M-16, variations of the rifle, 9-mm handguns and even shotguns.

"But we're not going to be carrying machine guns. We're not going to be carrying heavy weapons. We're not at war here," Blum said, explaining he wants troops "to be in a position to protect themselves."

News that the Guard would have surveillance assignments in close proximity to Mexico came as a surprise to the Border Patrol, the agency tasked with halting illegal border crossings.

Agency spokesman Todd Fraser said troops would work in support roles ranging from repairing and maintaining Border Patrol jeeps and manning surveillance cameras from remote locations to giving agents advanced firearms training.

Some troop assignments are being tweaked, he said, and soldiers' precise jobs and locations remain to be hashed out between top Border Patrol administrators and their Guard counterparts. But, Fraser said, "As far as I know, a National Guard unit deployed along the border, right on the line, that's not a scenario I had heard about."

Troops assigned to entry identification teams, as well as engineers, will be armed and won't have to wait for someone to shoot at them first — an engagement rule he termed "silly."

"If he has to fire, he has a right to fire," Blum said. "There are judgment calls that have to be made by mature, disciplined soldiers, and I'm confident that these soldiers have the discipline, the training, and the experience and judgment to make the proper call or we wouldn't be employing them in this mission."

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sigc@express-news.net


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Mexico; News/Current Events; US: Arizona; US: California; US: District of Columbia; US: New Mexico; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: aliens; armedguard; bp; bush; congress; guard; mexico; nationalguard; selfdefense; shootfirst
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To: Richard-SIA
News for you Mr. Blum, the M-16 IS a machine-gun!
The M16 is capable of automatic fire, but it is not a machine gun.
21 posted on 05/26/2006 11:51:48 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: sheana
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22 posted on 05/26/2006 11:58:46 AM PDT by Rakkasan1 (Illegal immigrants are just undocumented friends you haven't met yet!)
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To: oh8eleven

The M-16 is capable of 3 round burst and Semi-Automatic fire, the old Vietnam Era M-16s were capable of Full Auto, if I remember correctly. However, if you slap an M203 on there, then everyone has a merry Christmas


23 posted on 05/26/2006 12:03:27 PM PDT by PVT4evr (Better to live for something than to Die for nothing. George S. Patton)
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To: mtbopfuyn
Good afternoon.
"Has he run this by W yet?"

More importantly, has he run it by Vicente.

Michael Frazier
24 posted on 05/26/2006 12:18:42 PM PDT by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: Richard-SIA

"News for you Mr. Blum, the M-16 IS a machine-gun!"

Here is some news for you, the M-16 and it's varients are Select fire rifles, not Machine Guns. The modern versions of the M-16(from 1986 to present) can be fired in the semi-auto, and 3 round burst modes only. The older M-16A1,and the M-16 could be fired in semi, or full auto, but even these shouldn't be classified as Machine guns.


25 posted on 05/26/2006 12:28:03 PM PDT by sean327 (God created all men equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: SwinneySwitch
Has the federal government and the state governments ironed out their differences on who is going to pay for the National Guard troops? I have a suspicion that the state governments are going to end up with the bill. I could be wrong.
26 posted on 05/26/2006 12:33:29 PM PDT by garbageseeker ("Simplex veri Sigillum"-Simplicity is the seal of truth)
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To: SwinneySwitch

We're not going to be carrying heavy weapons. We're not at war here,"

I guess means they can't call in an airstrike.


27 posted on 05/26/2006 12:49:14 PM PDT by wolfcreek
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To: SwinneySwitch; All

suuuuuuuuure, he has the right to fire but no bullets will be issued and he may not have any bullets in his firearm...

(remember the guard at the airports)


28 posted on 05/26/2006 12:52:54 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: oh8eleven

It is not a heavy machine gun, it's too light a caliber to be a battle rifle, it's actually a legitimate assault weapon.

But by BATFE definition, it IS an automatic weapon, and a machine gun.


29 posted on 05/26/2006 1:12:31 PM PDT by Richard-SIA ("The natural progress of things is for government to gain ground and for liberty to yield" JEFFERSON)
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To: Richard-SIA

By BATFE definition, a whole lot of things can be called machine guns.


30 posted on 05/26/2006 1:25:18 PM PDT by Sender (Error 404: Tagline Server Not Found)
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To: PVT4evr
the old Vietnam Era M-16s were capable of Full Auto, if I remember correctly
You do and I was in VN when my M14 was replaced with the M16. My first thought was - WTF?
But after moving the selector switch to "Rock & Roll" I was sold.
31 posted on 05/26/2006 3:22:40 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: mtbopfuyn
"SOME" of them will be armed. SOME. Not all, but some. Has he run this by W yet?

Who cares what W thinks. He is selling our Country to Mexico. Over 1900 miles of border with 6000 Guardsmen divided into 3 shifts. That equates to nothing but stupid pandering to appease us. And add to that what the Senate has just done.

32 posted on 05/26/2006 3:29:51 PM PDT by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: AliVeritas
"But we're not going to be carrying machine guns"

Too bad because the Mexican Army/ drug runners are!

33 posted on 05/27/2006 12:47:24 AM PDT by Minutemen ("It's a Religion of Peace")
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To: PVT4evr

>"However, if you slap an M203 on there, then everyone has a merry Christmas"<

-well, that should pretty much take care of the rock throwers who harass our border patrol...
;^)


34 posted on 05/27/2006 9:27:04 AM PDT by FBD ("Rapid immigration is at odds with rapid assimilation.)
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