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To: Joe Brower; DaveLoneRanger; Mr. Mojo

correct me if im wrong but ithought juvey crimes dont count when it comes to owning firearms i thought only felonys from 18 on where used to disbar you from firearms ownership and juvey records were sealed?


17 posted on 05/26/2006 10:09:52 AM PDT by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: freepatriot32

That would be a rational thought, and is certainly what those of us over 40 grew up being taught.

But current reality is frighteningly different!

Our Gov. Org. has drones working constantly to "update" their records on EVERY citizen.

In the several years I have been a licensed gun dealer I have seem MANY examples of those records being inaccurate in the extreme.

I have seen several examples of youthful stupidity coming back to haunt customers, even if the charges were dismissed, reduced, probation satisfied, records "expunged", etc.

I have seen MANY instances of the NICS system having the ancient arrest on file, but no record at all of the final disposition of the case.

Here is just one example!
Shortly after the "Brady Check" program began an old man came to buy a gun for protection, his area of Reno not being quite so a nice a place to live as it used to be.
He submitted to the required "Brady" infringement on his rights, and the answer came back that he was "Denied", so could not purchase the gun.
He was puzzled, stating that he had NEVER been in trouble with the law, that he had only even spoken to a cop ONE TIME in his entire life!
The one time was two days after he left two tours of duty in the Navy, being discharged in 1947.
He was not only W.W. II vet, he stayed in for the clean up after the war.

Finally having dry land underfoot he decided to celebrate by taking a drive down-town on a Saturday night.
He got into a drag race with another driver, and was pulled over on Fourth Street.
In 1947 Fourth street was close to the edge of town, and there was virtually no traffic.
The other driver mouthed off to the cop, so the cop took both of them to jail.
On Monday they appeared in court, the cop told the judge that the Navy man had been civil, and the judge dismissed the charges (note that the man spent time in jail without being convicted, for a minor infraction).

Fast forward to 2002, and that 1947 traffic stop did indeed turn out to be the "reason" for his purchase being rejected!
Since NICS did not have a record of the charge being dismissed they "assumed" that there must be an arrest warrant out for my customer!

This raises several interesting questions.
Why is our Gov. Org. even wasting money tracking trivial incidents for over fifty years?
Whatever happened to the "statute of limitations"?
Fourth amendment? Fifth? Second?

The good news is that this particular buyer still lives in the same house he was born in, and still had his receipt from the court!
He had to take it into the Highway Patrol headquarters and prove the charges were dropped, THEN he was "allowed" to exercise his right to own a firearm.

So all citizens are being tracked from cradle to grave, and ANY excuse will do to deprive us of our RKBA.


48 posted on 05/26/2006 11:03:03 AM PDT by Richard-SIA ("The natural progress of things is for government to gain ground and for liberty to yield" JEFFERSON)
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