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To: MarcusTulliusCicero

I want to see the roll call. It would be an overall victory if the bill did not garner a majority of the Republicans support. That way, the House negotiators can characterize this bill as a democrat plan or bill (even with the President's support, but at this point the House pubs have written the President off on this issue). Once characterized as a dem bill the Pence bill will be put on the table, making it look like the House is trying to compromise. When reform fails, and it will, voila, blame the dems.

The flaw in my logic? Even if I am right, which I probably am not, we still have no damned plan to enforce the border.


19 posted on 05/25/2006 3:11:04 PM PDT by FlipWilson
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To: FlipWilson

I cant find the list of votes, where would I look? Its not on the Senate webpage..


24 posted on 05/25/2006 3:11:54 PM PDT by cardinal4 (Kerry-Mcarthy in 2008!)
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To: FlipWilson

Well, Pence's bill may be the way that it gets through....and the Pence bill is still fatally flawed in that it allows for people who have been here illegally, committed various types of identity theft and fraud to still be eligible for guest worker status or even citizenship.


31 posted on 05/25/2006 3:15:12 PM PDT by MarcusTulliusCicero
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