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Canon to stop making single-lens camera
AP (via Yahoo) ^ | 25 May 06

Posted on 05/25/2006 10:08:01 AM PDT by Drew68

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To: Blueflag
By the time most digital cameras finsh whirring and thinking and adjusting and asking me questions, the car is in the next turn.

I've been using a Nikon D70 for night photography at Jennerstown with outstanding results. Never heard it "whirring"....

121 posted on 05/25/2006 6:10:05 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media.)
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To: bk1000

I get cell phone calls on an older WB/AM/FM radio.


122 posted on 05/25/2006 6:14:45 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: bk1000
We'll need intelligent pixels to accomplish this. Probably on someone's drawing board now.

I can tell you how it could be done in principal, right now. For each exposure, bracket the ISO to get more bits of luminosity informaion. The multiple exposures will align each pixel a bit differently due to camera shake (which can be detected and recorded along with the image).

Stich the whole mess back together with NASA like software, and you have far greater resolution than you could get with a single exposure.

123 posted on 05/25/2006 6:17:48 PM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: FreedomCalls
I'm in the market for a new Digital Camera and you seem to know what you're talking about.  Mind if I ask the following:

I'm an amateur looking to occasionally go beyond point and shoot portraits.  I've been taking more photos of my kids soccer games and I want to be able to zoom in on a stage from the back of an auditorium.  I take approximately 200 35mm photos per year though I'm likely to up that count once I move to digital.

I've narrowed my selection to these two cameras:

Canon PowerShot S2 IS

and the

Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ5S

Both have 12x Optical zoom, 5 MP, and image stabilization (When I need the zoom, I probably wont have a tripod!  That knocked out the equivalent Kodak).

Both are around $350.00.

Both get rave reviews and most reviewers (and the samples I've seen) indicate the picture quality being nearly identical.

The decision breakers:

The Canon:

- Uses batteries (rechargeable or not) which some reviewers have claimed a negative but I view as a positive since it's always possible to get 4 AA cells.

- Takes much better video with a stereo mic and video can be used with the zoom. (I plan on getting a 2GB memory card so short videos will definitely be likely)

The Panasonic

- Uses a rechargeable cell thus no extra costs for batteries or chargers

- Has a live histogram that allows for A/E adjustments prior to snapping the photo (The Canon only shows a histogram after the photo is taken)

 

I've never used a histogram for managing light but the concept sounds interesting.  The Canon video is much better though so I'm thinking I can live with the post shot histogram and maybe take a second shot if necessary to achieve proper balance.  It all likelihood, I'll be using the "Scene" options on both cameras and doing very little manual tinkering.

I'm open to any and all thoughts.

 

124 posted on 05/25/2006 6:46:12 PM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: Drew68

I have a Canon FT purchased in 1969.


125 posted on 05/25/2006 6:52:59 PM PDT by Doc Savage (Bueller?....Bueller?...Bueller?...Bueller?...Pelosi?...Pelosi?...Pelosi?...)
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To: Brad Cloven

I've got a Nikon F100. I love it. Digital cameras have made incredible strides lately, but you can buy professonal quality film SLR bodies for pennies on the dollar at present.

What do you do when that $2,000.00 digital goes on the blink? How much will it cost to fix?


126 posted on 05/25/2006 7:01:49 PM PDT by Darnright (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred.)
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To: Incorrigible
The S2 has been replaced by the S3 and that's the one I would buy if I were in your situation, but I generally prefer Canon cameras anyway so I may have a bit of a bias.

Go to DPreview and poke around there.

The S3 review is here.
The S2 review is here.
The FZ5 review is here.

Compare them here side-by-side.

127 posted on 05/25/2006 7:20:44 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Blueflag

In 1970 with my Mamiya 1000DTL firmly in hand, I trudged the entire Sears Point race course for a Trans-Am race; (over two miles by foot) and stationed myself at the finish line after having snapped off 30 pics only to discover that long before the last-lap leader was coming into view that my counter was up to 40!

Struggling to accept the obvious, I tried to hide the camera under my jacket as I opened the back only to find what I had dreaded - I had cheated one too many times on latching the first hole on the sprocket.

I ended up with a fistful of winners, runners-up and also rans.

I only sold one picture of Roger Penske examining a sparkplug from a roll taken the day before during pit-stop practice.

From that day forward, I only get 34 pictures out of a 36 exposure roll.


128 posted on 05/25/2006 7:34:20 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: FreedomCalls

Getting right back there with 1/2000, eh?


129 posted on 05/25/2006 7:35:36 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: FreedomCalls

Canon EOS-1D Mark II N - $3,999.00 - dtgweb.com


130 posted on 05/25/2006 7:36:52 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Incorrigible

With Epicac you can always reshoot that spontaneous vomit scene.


131 posted on 05/25/2006 7:49:40 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Darnright

You don't fix electronics, you upgrade.


132 posted on 05/25/2006 7:50:33 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Republicanprofessor

I had not been aware of this development.


133 posted on 05/25/2006 7:52:44 PM PDT by Sam Cree (Delicacy, precision, force)
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To: FreedomCalls
Fine!! Make my decision ever more difficult!

Seriously though, thank you very much for your reply.

I see the S3 has a "Record Histogram" which I presume is the same as the "Live Histogram" for the Panasonic.  Definitely makes the case for the S3 as this point save for price.

The S2 goes for $350 at Costco.  The S3 for $450.

I'm not sure that the histogram and extra pixels (I have never had any of my photos enlarged so they are all 4x6) are worth the $100.

 

134 posted on 05/25/2006 8:22:14 PM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: Old Professer
At first I thought you were making an obscure Kurt Vonnegut reference (Can I admit I read Vonnegut and be a FReeper in good standing?) but then I see there's a vomit pill called Epicac!

 

135 posted on 05/25/2006 8:23:59 PM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: js1138
Now I would say that consumer grade cameras will reach 20 megapixels by the end of the decade.

The Hasselblad H2D-39. 39 million pixels. But at the low, low price of only $29,995, I'm not quite sure it is what you'd call "consumer grade."

However, for about 6 or 7 thousand dollars less than the H2D-39 you can pick up a plain ol' Hasselblad H2D with a measly 22 megapixels.

136 posted on 05/25/2006 8:59:33 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: Incorrigible
I see the S3 has a "Record Histogram" which I presume is the same as the "Live Histogram" for the Panasonic.

Yes, it does have a live histogram.

From this page from the review at DPreview you can see the live histogram as displayed on the S3's viewscreen in the second picture down on the right.

The display from the FZ5 is shown on this page. The live histogram picture is in the same place, second down on the right.

137 posted on 05/25/2006 9:05:38 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: FreedomCalls

Thanks. I just got through reading every single page of the reviews!

Hmmmm. 100 bucks though.... Hmmmm


138 posted on 05/25/2006 9:09:47 PM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: Cobra64
We have some wedding picture prints that we scanned on a HP 2100. For some reason, and with no human intervention, the scanner scanned and saved one picture as a JPG, and the other as a TIFF. Uh, why is that?

I'm not Drew, but there's a setting in there somewhere that will allow you to specify the scan format and options. Poke around; you'll find it.

MM

139 posted on 05/25/2006 9:14:33 PM PDT by MississippiMan (Behold now behemoth...he moves his tail like a cedar. Job 40:17)
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To: Drew68
That is still really all you need for personal photography. Mine will shoot photos in .tif format but I've never once shot a photo with that much resolution. For obvious reasons, I use lower resoultion so that I can send my photos via email. When I print them out on paper, they look just fine.

Depends on what you want to do with the personal photos. A 2.3 megapixel camera will generate images that print quite well at 4" x 6" but once you start going bigger than that it gets iffy and probably won't be of the print quality we think of as traditional "photo" quality.

If they're intended for screen only, you're of course correct.

MM

140 posted on 05/25/2006 9:17:40 PM PDT by MississippiMan (Behold now behemoth...he moves his tail like a cedar. Job 40:17)
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