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To: Paradox
No big surprises. The problem is that the "Conservatives" have ignored the evidence so long, that they don't have much standing to point out problems with most of the proposed solutions. "Kyoto" wasn't a solution. Nuclear power is helpful.

It's been fun to watch. First the Conservatives claimed "no warming" then "warming near cities only" then "warming but due to the sun" then "it's good for you" then "oak, but so what?" The trouble is that the Left misuses science (and the Right rejects it.)

It was interesting to hear about 25 years ago from climatologist that "global warming results are only being opposed by the Religious Right."
17 posted on 05/25/2006 9:15:48 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Doctor Stochastic

I've been following this debate from the start and I have yet to see a single convincing fact, theory or argument in support of "global warming".

Every argument and theory I have seen has been nothing but notional fantasy and conjecture. Most of it is mathematically flawed and illogical. Basically, every global warming argument I have seen without exception has been based on extrapolation way beyond the data. Worse, the extrapolation does not merely assume present conditions into the future, but worse, none of the data on which the extrapolations are based is statistically significant. The extrapolations are worse than guesses. They are more akin to witchery.

This stuff is pure poison.


44 posted on 05/25/2006 9:39:34 AM PDT by John Valentine
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To: Doctor Stochastic
"It's been fun to watch. First the Conservatives claimed "no warming" then "warming near cities only" then "warming but due to the sun" then "it's good for you" then "oak, but so what?" The trouble is that the Left misuses science (and the Right rejects it.)"

I don't get this... how can there be so many people on FR that buys this crap?

No one that I know of has said "no warming". If we doubled CO2 we would get +1.2 deg C not anything close to the alarmist are stating.

We also know CO2 levels has been at very high levels and tempature was in an ice age and it was the other way around as well.

No one can predict the weather.

180 posted on 05/25/2006 1:56:07 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* “I love you guys”)
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To: Doctor Stochastic
25 years ago from climatologist that "global warming results are only being opposed by the Religious Right."

25 years ago climatologists were warning us of the imminent new Ice Age. The reality of global warming at all, per se, is still very much unproven,lurking as it does in the range of statistical error, much less anthropogenic global warming. Your sequence of lines in the sand may reflect the media presentation of skeptical observers, or the random opinions of psoters here, but it does not do justice to real climate scientists who have serioous and abiding doubts about it all. The jury is very much out--and the most powerful proof is the blind raging assertions of "There is NO DEBATE!" howled by the GW enthusiasts. If they had the data they would stand in line to debate. But sensible people like Lonborg are still shunned.

296 posted on 05/26/2006 2:53:16 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Doctor Stochastic

25 years ago, climatologists were warning of the coming Ice Age. Well, maybe 30, but close enough.

http://denisdutton.com/cooling_world.htm


314 posted on 05/26/2006 5:14:15 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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