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To: coloradan
A burglar can do a great amount of damage to hundreds of people's lives, whether he/she is violent or not. When you steal from a person, you are taking their time and labor against their will.

I find it sad that criminals have children, I do not, however, find it abusive to keep those criminals away from my children.

And if you don't agree with the pot laws, then you can work to have them overturned, after which it won't be a crime.

Is it your position that disagreeing with a law or its punishment makes it permissible to break it? I would only agree if the law violated basic human rights. I don't concur that drug laws do that.

Incidentally, criminals don't have a lock on bad parenting.

Yea, so what's your point? That because not everyone else is a perfect parent we should give criminals a pass?

Would you support nanny-state laws against bad parenting, whatever that is?

Well if "whatever that is" is beating a child into a coma, abandonment, constant abuse, nonsupport, or exposing the child to a constant chain of criminal activity? YES!

20 posted on 05/26/2006 6:25:21 AM PDT by SampleMan
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To: SampleMan
A burglar can do a great amount of damage to hundreds of people's lives, whether he/she is violent or not. When you steal from a person, you are taking their time and labor against their will.

I support laws against burglary, and I also would support laws requiring restitution, which is not presently the case.

I do not, however, find it abusive to keep those criminals away from my children.

We're talking life without parole here... three strikes and you're out. Do you think that's the right punishment for a burglar?

Is it your position that disagreeing with a law or its punishment makes it permissible to break it?

That was not my position.

I would only agree if the law violated basic human rights. I don't concur that drug laws do that.

Is owning your own body a human right? Or do you agree with the drug warriors that each person's body is property of The State, and therefore The State has an overriding interest in what goes into that body, over the wishes of the body's sole inhabitant?

That because not everyone else is a perfect parent we should give criminals a pass?

Straw man.

Well if "whatever that is" is beating a child into a coma, abandonment, constant abuse, nonsupport, or exposing the child to a constant chain of criminal activity? YES!

Those things are already crimes, and my statement was, criminals don't have a lock on bad parenting - meaning, there are non-criminal activities that lead to screwed-up children. The things you just cited ARE criminal, therefore, not responsive to my question about nanny-state parenting laws.

22 posted on 05/26/2006 6:56:49 AM PDT by coloradan (Failing to protect the liberties of your enemies establishes precedents that will reach to yourself.)
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To: SampleMan; coloradan
And if you don't agree with the pot laws, then you can work to have them overturned, after which it won't be a crime.

I like traffic laws. Regulation of the road prevents many accidents.

Now, should I do 30 days in jail for blowing through a stop sign? How about six months?

Here's a radical idea: Maybe punishing dope users the same way we punish the guy who holds up the convenience store is just as harsh and stupid. And maybe you're "tough on crime" for supporting that in the same way you'd be a traffic safety advocate if you wanted to send me to jail for running a stop sign.

25 posted on 05/26/2006 7:39:15 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Try Jesus--If you don't like Him, the devil will always take you back.)
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