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To: Campion
As I Catholic, I send my children to Catholic schools first and foremost so they will receive an education that is consistent with the Catholic worldview. They can get a good education in secular subjects at a lot of places; even in a public school, but they can only get an education consisten with the Catholic worldview in a Catholic school.

Yes, I remember. I went to Catholic school through the 10th grade. Religion was first and foremost the important courses. I remember in the Ninth grade, I wanted to take Spanish was was told I had to learn Latin first. I suspect there are many varied experiences.

When you perfect the WayBack machine that will allow all of us to travel back in time to undo old sins and errors of judgement, get back to us. I think you'll sell a lot of them all over the world.

As long as folks refer to something that hurts children for their entire lives "errors of judgment", but believe good teachers who happen to be homosexual are an absolute danger to the students, we will continue to have this pattern through enablement.

50 posted on 05/25/2006 9:39:50 AM PDT by MACVSOG68
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To: MACVSOG68
As long as folks refer to something that hurts children for their entire lives "errors of judgment", but believe good teachers who happen to be homosexual are an absolute danger to the students, we will continue to have this pattern through enablement.

Go away -your pro-homosexual cheerleading is not given platform on FR.

The moral relative argument you attempt to give life to by conflating the implied evil "errors of judgment" with the claimed innocuous "happen to be homosexual" status of an indivuidual misses the mark completely by ignoring the real evil -the effects of the homosexual disorder -- WHICH is what legitimately premises concern in both cases and premises the legitimate action to terminate the teacher.

Those suffering the homosexual disorder are rightly and legitimately discriminated against. BOTH -be it clergy or educator -those suffering the homosexual disorder are legitimately discriminated against AND legitimately discriminated against for good reason -they suffer a severe disorder that predisposes them to enagage in disordered activity:

USCCB - The Nature and Scope of the Problem of Sexual Abuse of Minors by Catholic Priests and Deacons in the United States

The study results show overwhelming findings that objectively one must draw but only one legitimate conclusion -homosexual predation was the primary activity that the sexual abuse was evidenced...

Some argue that the homosexual acts were not homosexual because only children were physically or psychologically raped of their innocence -they have as yet no 'orientation' and or mature sexuality or that the subjective rainbow gender spectrum rather than the binary 'sex' is an appropriate sexual identifier (very similar to the abortion argument claiming a baby is but a lump of flesh)? Some argue that the homosexual acts were not done by homosexuals (as if homosexual activity that defines homosexuals somehow does not now define homosexuals)?

It is weird logic to ignore that which specifically differentiates those who suffer from the homosexual disorder that predisposes them to homosexual activity and or those that actually participate in the activity and argue that this has nothing to do with homosexuals and or homosexual activity?

Regardless the politically correct illogical argumentative gymnastics and contrived hoops that some may posit I jump through -I myself will remain standing on Terra firma --simply put, the discussion involves activity -the abuse a majority of which was homosexual -the study was objectively scientific -not subjectively politically correct -as such a homosexual act was categorized a homosexual act and same sex sexual activity was identified as such...

The homosexual disorder is objectively defined by a predisposition to the activity... Homosexual activity is objectively defined by the activity -not the cause -not the intent -not anything morally irrelevant... Homosexual activists may gnash their teeth all they want -the facts speak for themselves...

Some still choose to ignore the obvious -regardless, the ignorance and or denial in this area will be overcome in the Church -the only question is will secular society get a clue or will it continue with its head in the politically correct sands of moral relativism?

In summary, objectively as to the sexual abuse of children all that is known is the activity -objectively, the majority of activity was homosexual predation -period...

Small excerpt:

John Jay Study - Summary results: Characteristics of the incidents of alleged sexual abuse by priests (Adobe Acrobat PDF Document)

The study produced some important findings about the nature of child sexual abuse in the Catholic Church.

  • Unlike in the general population, more males than females were allegedly. In fact, there was a significant difference between genders, with four out of five alleged victims being male.

  • The majority of alleged victims were post-pubescent, with only a small percentage of priests receiving allegations of abusing young children.

  • The allegations of sexual abuse involved a variety of sexual acts, and most of the priests involved were alleged to have committed multiple acts per victim. Indeed, much of the sexual abuse reported involved serious sexual offenses.

  • According to the allegations of sexual abuse, the most frequent context of the sexual incidents occurred during a social event. Additionally, many of the priests with allegations of abuse socialized with the family of the alleged victim.

  • The most common place of occurrence was the residence of the priest though incidents of abuse allegedly occurred in a wide variety of locations.

I note again clearly that this study confirms what other also not overly publicized or widely known or acknowledged studies have found -homosexual predation...

55 posted on 05/25/2006 11:21:23 AM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: MACVSOG68
I wanted to take Spanish was was told I had to learn Latin first. I suspect there are many varied experiences.

That's actually a matter of linguistics and culture. Have you learned enough in the years since you graduated High School to understand that?

65 posted on 05/25/2006 12:10:45 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: MACVSOG68
As long as folks refer to something that hurts children for their entire lives "errors of judgment",

Oh, how cute. You twist words nicely.

Please notice I said sins or errors in judgement. Child sexual abuse is not an "error in judgement"; it's a grave sin.

Believing psychologists who say that child abusers can be cured (and that a specific child abuser has been cured) is an error in judgement.

75 posted on 05/25/2006 12:52:44 PM PDT by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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