Las Vegas Catholic school fires gay teacher over MySpace page

From a biblical perspective, there's no differentiation in sexual sin. It's all perversion in God's eyes.

Is that what you actually believe? I'd keep it to myself if I were you. I can daily thank God we live in a constitutional republic rather than a theocracy.

The church should not just shrug it's shoulders at sin, period.

How about you? Do you consider being a homosexual as bad as pedophilia? Never mind what you think God feels, how do you feel about it? If you believe that, then I have just witnessed the most outrageous case of moral equivalency I have ever heard.

121 posted on 05/26/2006 3:15:31 PM PDT by MACVSOG68

Yes, the Catholic Church was supreme in everything. They knew through dogma demonstrated by the Bible, that the earth was central to everything, and Galileo's belief that the earth revolved around the sun was heresy and he was so convicted by the Inquistition. He was imprisoned for having such thoughts and trying to tell the world about them. Is that the kind of disregard for the Church's moral authority you are referring to? And you wonder why intelligent people question some of the Church's dogma today? Do you approve of how the Church has handled scientific inquiry such as that of Galileo?

Do you understand what Dogma is and consequently how absurd your assertion that the Church taught the Earth central to everything let alone anything?

Let's see -you can not provide anything but "feelings" couched in moral relative arguments in regards to your support of the homosexual disorder being something to be accepted and tolerated as at worst innocuous and not meriting legitimate discrimination... Now you wish to attempt to bash the Catholic Church using the same "free thinking" moral relative methodology -your hidden motive (assuming the obvious will once again be denied)?

A suggested reading assignment: The Galileo Affair

SMALL EXCERPT:
Unjust Condemnation
Galileo's condemnation was certainly unjust, but in no way impugns the infallibility of Catholic dogma. Heliocentricism was never declared a heresy by either ex cathedra pronouncement or an ecumenical council. And as the Pontifical Commission points out, the sentence of 1633 was not irreformable. Galileo's works were eventually removed from the Index and in 1822, at the behest of Pius VII, the Holy Office granted an imprimatur to the work of Canon Settele, in which Copernicanism was presented as a physical fact and no longer as an hypothesis.

You may be an "expert" on moral relatively arguing in support of the homosexualization of society; however, it would appear you are way out of your league in attempting to disparage the Church. You may want to reconsider this latest tact as well potentially fruitless?

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122 posted on 05/26/2006 5:46:55 PM PDT by DBeers (†)

Ironically, it isn't the Christian message or Holy Scripture that's brought me round to this acceptance, but my own personal and comprehensive experience with homosexuality and others with the disorder.

Well -many eventually come to realize that universal truth is in fact universal. Among some Catholic apologetics there is a saying, "all paths lead to Rome", which in essence means that if one researches thoroughly Sacred Scripture, Christianity, the Fathers of the Church, and all that is divinely revealed etcetera [they] will conclude the Church to be His Church...

As to the truths you yourself have discovered the "hard" way -they were always available to those of faith that simply submitted their intellect and will and took the approach of faith seeking understanding rather than understanding seeking faith...

If a universal truth is a universal truth THEN it should stand alone objectively (not be moral relatively or situationally derived and hence not require such arguments to support it); additionally, [it] should apply coherently with and incorporate all other universal truths always...

The Catholic Church's approach is compassionate while being careful and sensible. The only concern that I would have would be the Church's 'trust' that a repentant homosexual can be somehow permanently 'cured'. Once an afflicted individual has enjoyed homosexual activity, then I really do feel that seed is permanent. It gives the individual an even heavier 'cross to bare' than if they hadn't done so.

Ultimately it is possible that one can be permanently 'cured' e.g. with God, all things are possible; however, as you assert this may be the exception in the exceptional case (one with deep seated tendencies) -NONETHELESS to be legitimately truthful one must allow for and proclaim the possibilty -to deny such would be error...

It's a bit like a very addictive drug. Once taken, then they are always an addict... an ex-smoker can go for years without smoking, then just one cigarette, and they can be back to a packet a day. Homosexuality is very similar.

This is why I'm coming round to the idea that it wouldn't be appropriate for any self-declared 'former' homosexual to work with boys. Primarily for the protection of the boys, but also for the sake of the homo.

Yes -you more closely described the reality that my posting did not adequately address. It all comes down to the degree of legitimate discrimination required based upon assessing correctly the state of the individual e.g. a "hard case" may never be able to be exposed to children without supervision...

123 posted on 05/26/2006 6:14:11 PM PDT by DBeers (†)

There are many secular myths regarding Galileo, who was a good Catholic, as was St. Robert Bellarmine. You can look into the Truth of the matter, if you'd like.

124 posted on 05/27/2006 6:34:55 AM PDT by TradicalRC ("...this present Constitution, which will be valid henceforth, now, and forever..."-Pope St. Pius V)

Is that what you actually believe? I'd keep it to myself if I were you. I can daily thank God we live in a constitutional republic rather than a theocracy.

I'd take the Vatican over the US any day, they don't seem to have the problems with baby-killing, gay pride parades, pornography, crime, drugs and illegals that we've got here.

125 posted on 05/27/2006 6:37:05 AM PDT by TradicalRC ("...this present Constitution, which will be valid henceforth, now, and forever..."-Pope St. Pius V)

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126 posted on 05/27/2006 7:13:47 AM PDT by machman

There are many secular myths regarding Galileo, who was a good Catholic, as was St. Robert Bellarmine. You can look into the Truth of the matter, if you'd like.

Actually I read this piece before. Though it tries to spin and soft peddle the truth, it still must admit that the official position of the Church was that the concept of heliocentrism was a heresy. Galileo was imprisoned for this because the Church feared the people might listen to him and question the authority of the Church. These are the charges used by the Inquisition to condemn this scientist:

1. The proposition that the sun is in the center of the world and immovable from its place is absurd, philosophically false, and formally heretical; because it is expressly contrary to Holy Scriptures.
2. The proposition that the earth is not the center of the world, nor immovable, but that it moves, and also with a diurnal action, is also absurd, philosophically false, and, theologically considered, at least erroneous in faith.

Just as today, most Catholics have questions but fear to ask them. There is almost no doubt that if the Church of the Inquistion days were in power today, Dan Brown, Sir Laurence Garder, and perhaps even Bart Ehrman would all be tried for heresy and summarily executed. Would that be right? Did the God-given rights that all human beings have, some codified in the Bill of Rights not exist through the first fifteen hundred years of the Church? Are not natural rights timeless? How does anyone justify death or imprisonment for thinking?

I don't condemn anyone for believing that the Church can do no wrong, but you must understand that information is freedom, and much of the Western world likes that freedom. Take care.

127 posted on 05/27/2006 7:16:43 AM PDT by MACVSOG68

I'd take the Vatican over the US any day, they don't seem to have the problems with baby-killing, gay pride parades, pornography, crime, drugs and illegals that we've got here.

I certainly don't want to discourage you from leaving here. But as I tend to ask the left who can say nothing good about this Country, "Why don't you go where you'd feel more at home?"

I'd be happy to debate the history of the Vatican, both the good and the bad, if you care to.

BTW, you really didn't answer the question concerning the equivalency of homosexuality with pedophilia.

128 posted on 05/27/2006 7:25:21 AM PDT by MACVSOG68

BTW, you really didn't answer the question concerning the equivalency of homosexuality with pedophilia.

Actually he did e.g. they are both sinful activities as such equivalent -you just did not like the answer as it did not fit into the straw man world view you attempt to erect failingly...

Here try this -Homosexual activity is self-destructive, depraved and centered exclusively around corrupting sexual activity --in this way it is equivalent to pedophilia...

129 posted on 05/27/2006 9:05:19 AM PDT by DBeers (†)

BTW, you really didn't answer the question concerning the equivalency of homosexuality with pedophilia.

Sorry, I honestly don't have time to pursue every quesrtion or proposition. Regarding their equivalancy, I'm not sure that I understand you. They are both sexual perversions but I guess in some way consentual adult sodomy is less evil than pederasty.

130 posted on 05/27/2006 11:55:42 AM PDT by TradicalRC ("...this present Constitution, which will be valid henceforth, now, and forever..."-Pope St. Pius V)

Regarding their equivalancy, I'm not sure that I understand you. They are both sexual perversions but I guess in some way consentual adult sodomy is less evil than pederasty.

Thank you. I'm glad you do recognize the difference. But your leader does not. You guys may want to talk it over to be sure. Take care.

131 posted on 05/27/2006 12:11:02 PM PDT by MACVSOG68

The less homo teachers we have in this country, the better. That said:

"Crouse said he was called into the principal's office..."

Never a good sign for the call-ee.

132 posted on 05/27/2006 12:30:22 PM PDT by Canedawg (In God We Trust)

Thank you. I'm glad you do recognize the difference. But your leader does not. You guys may want to talk it over to be sure. Take care.

I'm guessing that you're refering to Pope Benedict XVI. Do you have a statement he made regarding this? If so please post a link.

133 posted on 05/27/2006 8:47:34 PM PDT by TradicalRC ("...this present Constitution, which will be valid henceforth, now, and forever..."-Pope St. Pius V)

I'm guessing that you're refering to Pope Benedict XVI. Do you have a statement he made regarding this? If so please post a link.

LOL. Nah, as I'm sure you're aware, I'm referring to the forum's inquisition leader. He'll be happy to explain the correct "talking points".

134 posted on 05/28/2006 5:34:59 AM PDT by MACVSOG68

LOL. Nah, as I'm sure you're aware, I'm referring to the forum's inquisition leader. He'll be happy to explain the correct "talking points".

I have no idea what you are talking about. I suppose my last post should have made that obvious. I haven't read through this entire thread, will get to it later.

135 posted on 05/28/2006 1:48:20 PM PDT by TradicalRC ("...this present Constitution, which will be valid henceforth, now, and forever..."-Pope St. Pius V)

>>Crouse wrote on his Web site that he was gay and looking for "straight-acting single men."

I wonder why he'd want "straight acting" but be public with his web page....

136 posted on 05/28/2006 1:50:37 PM PDT by gondramB (He who angers you, in part, controls you. But he may not enjoy what the rest of you does about it.)

I have no idea what you are talking about. I suppose my last post should have made that obvious. I haven't read through this entire thread, will get to it later.

Fair enough. I tend to take folks at their word. He is the clown who runs at least one prominent ping list here and attempts to stifle any opinion but his own, and threatens any Freepers who may have other opinions. He is well supported here on certain of these threads, and my apologies for insinuating you may have been part of that gang. Take care.

137 posted on 05/28/2006 2:25:58 PM PDT by MACVSOG68

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