Posted on 05/25/2006 3:19:30 AM PDT by Liz
At least SOME Republicans are getting the message...toss out the ones that don't.
GOP GETS ALIEN-ATED FROM PREZ (House Repubs dead-set against--legalization deemed political suicide)
convinced that backing Bush's plan would so infuriate conservatives that they'd sit out the election and let Democrats win control of Congress.
Your insistence on a nation wide referendum is futile nonsense.
Shhh
there will be no clear and comprehensive reasoning allowed on this issue. You will allowed only to post remarks that are in line with the tunnel vision consensus as viewed with horse blinders firmly in place...
(I read this report also...more detailed. ..and it is well worth taking into the equation. WE forget that Bush has access to things we will never know about- for own own sanity as we could not, as a whole handle it - OUr view is based on what we can see, like bugs on a huge Oriental rug. We see the green spot we're sitting on and maybe a few surrounding colors...Bush has access to the whole pattern.
WE ignore all the rest of upheaval going on in South America - with China getting into the mix - at our peril. (For example: you think China's deal to drill for oil in the Gulf of M. (off Cuba) came w/o strings, deals, promises - or that any of the above is going to favor the US?) : You think that the decades long campaign of the communists to get a wider foothold in South, CENTRAL, America has become dormant?
The twisted webs wind in, thru and around it all, including the "Mexican poor" problem. Communists gain their foothold by exploiting the poor. History 101. (Would you rather deal with the problem of a Communist Mexico? Sometimes I wonder if, in the mix of the "send em all home, build a wall" folk, there aren't 'plants' to keep the focus on the little picture, so the Big picture machinations can continue gaining ground unnoticed. It is the way they work. How many are change agents, how many are dupes?
Bush is also probably the only politician in the country that makes decisions not based on polls or personal gain, but for the country.
I will put my trust in him over the rest of them any day...
There is a mechanism for a nation-wide vote: Constitutional Amendment.
'hope you have your flame retardant suit on - I've in mine ;o)
Well, it's worked for the past 20-30 years...sarc/
This whole thing may be the biggest misdirection-coup I've seen in decades. The whole issue, that NO ONE has touched or attempted to solve before - is all Bush's doing/fault - Bush, the only man to take it on.
Reminds of Howard Roark in Fountainhead - in his defense speech - about the man who first invented fire - "He was probably burned at the stake for it - but thereafter, man had fire"
I agree. It's the people/taxpayers who will be paying billions more if this bill passes. Our grandchildren's granchildren will still be paying.
I'll vote third party before I vote for any of the traitors who are backing this bill.
Well I think you get what the point is. This is not an easy mend. And I agree that there is SO much we do not know as the politicians jockey around.
Yesterday I heard Cuba is now selling rights to drill offshore 50 miles from the US. Congress will of course block our ability to do it, so do we let the Chinese buy the rights? I also heard of the concerns that the Chinese will be much less able to meet environment standards.
That's one way to spin it, but the names behind:
Couple this to Denny Hastert joining Pelosi in outrage that a criminal Congressman (Jefferson, D-LA) could actually be investigated (which makes you wonder what's in Denny's freezer, doesn't it?), and you have to suspect that the Republicans just think it's good sportsmanship to get the living daylights beaten out of them in November and give the other other liberal Democrats a turn at stuffing their pockets.
All any of these guys seems to care about is slaking his own greed, and their greed seems to have no limits.
d.o.l.
Criminal Number 18F
So in this respect, I can see where Bush is thinking BIG picture to keep this from allowing more influence from China/Chavez etc at our southern border.
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In a better world, American media would help Americans understand a wee bit more about the threat our own hemisphere is under by despots with income from Big Oil, instead of focusing all their propaganda against Exxon, etc.
Right ....
Listen, bro, most posters know the score regarding the need to shore up the SS support pyramid, the Marxist troubles brewing south-of-the-border, etc.
What we're opposed to is illegal immigration and the effect it has on the rule of law. As the executive, Bush cannot unilaterally decide to NOT enforce certain laws.
If Bush wants to lay the cards on the table by explaining what is occurring and what we need to do about it, great, get Congress to change the laws. This is a representative republic - WE the people call the shots, not a person who some want to place undo faith.
If we need more people to support SS, then WE should control the flow from India, China or wherever. If we need to deal with Mexico, then why are they different than Iraq? Mex will never be fixed until it's completely overhauled - just like Iraq.
You know - you are right. When I first read some of this, a little light bulb went off for me that we are so miopic with the few facts we have and pushing our own 'agendas'. But whoa, there's a big geo-political picture too that the President must grapple with. WHY doesn't the media help put this in perspective. All of America would benefit.
This is also why it's stupid to have amendments made to the constitution. Our forefathers were a LOT smarter than the Yahoos who changed things from the senators being sent by each state legislature to being directly elected by the people. Had that change never been made, you would see no campaign finance law required, you'd see those people change their act overnight to represent the people of their state instead of thinking they are some kind of national figure. Face it, the senate has gotten out of hand.
REPLY: Too often, it goes unnoticed that the Constitution is intended to protect the people from the government. The gov't sometimes acts like it is the reverse equation.
The citizenry does not exist to serve the government.
The Founders intended to protect the people's rights by limiting the powers of government. Any action which is intended to protect the people's interests from an errant government---as in the immigration dilemma---is in keeping with Constitutional imperatives, and is to be applauded.
That the Constitution is intended to protect the people from the government goes unnoticed..........and untaught. Unfortunately, liberal thought police have indoctrinated generations with Marxist/Socialist agit-prop so that many see the gov't as the solution to problems, and work to grant gov't more and more power over the lives of the citizenry.
We see here in the Senate immigration bill what happens when an arrogant gov't gets too much power.
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