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To: Lurker

I should also note that you need to build into your proposed solution the ability for your ideas to adjust to how the illegal community and the criminal organizations will adapt to your law enforcement efforts.

Also keep in mind that enforcement as you describe will require time to recruit, train, and enact - and during that time the criminal and illegal elements, along with sympathetic Americans will act at counter purpose to the enforcement efforts.

And try to imagine the information systems required to tabulate, analyze, and process the information you want to use to find violators, illegals, and abettors. You'll be gathering a lot more information than it takes to find a terrorist, and you'll be targeting American citizens, analyzing private information w/out a warrant for the purpose of law enforcement. This isn't self-defense or national security, but law enforcement.

Now, consider that employers will find ways to disguise their employment of illegals, if they're so inclined. The enforcement you propose will only increase the criminal exploitation of illegals by criminals, while doing nothing of getting rid of the illegals or the criminals... Find one illegal employer/factory and another will spring up.

If you think your ideas will work, you're extremely naive.


116 posted on 05/25/2006 2:00:21 AM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: coconutt2000; Lurker
Did you read what Lurker wrote?
"1.) Fine employers who employ illegal labor $5,000.00 per day per illegal for the first offense. A second offense doubles the fine and adds a five year prison sentence. "

Would you as the owner of a company risk going to jail for five years just so that you could hire an illegal alien to a position where there is a legal employee available?

I know I sure wouldn't.

My self 'Self-deportion' plan.

I believe that if we had a program that harshly hits the employers who hire illegals we could accomplish the self removal in 50 months without too much ruckus. Pass a Bill that required the employers, one state at a time, to verify the SSI numbers of their employees. We must verify that these employees are paying taxes. Any problem and the employee has 30 days to bring in alternate proof that they were not attempting fraud.

Initially start in the state with the smallest population. Why? Because this will give you the smallest group of people to work with while you refine the computer programs to sift through the social security data base.

When the data bases are refined and connected in this one state so that they can be searched with one program, then move on to the next step.

Then go to the Northeast. state#1 Maine, state#2 New Hampshire, state#3 Vermont and state#4 Mass., should be the first four states in the numerical order. Then state#5 RI., state#6 NY., state#7 CT., and state#8 NJ., in the numerical order.

Do you understand what I am proposing and what the effect would be? The illegal employees would rapidly see what is coming. Knowing that they couldn't produce verifiable tax identification they would start selling their belongings and shipping the items that they wished to retain back to their home countries.

This is already happening in Georgia where their laws of verification won't be enforced until next June. Yes, the employers are being very selective about who they are hiring because they don't want to get caught in 2007 with an illegal employee.

The illegals from South America and Mexico would start moving West as their jobs disappeared on their own. As new jobs became impossible to attain they would see that Canada, Russia, China, Ecuador, Mexico or wherever their foreign homeland is should become their destination for employment.

Employers who couldn't find American workers could appeal to the proper Agency for a 24 month Guest Worker permit for specific named employees. This identification would be given to the employee at our border entry station as they apply for an Entry Card and permit this employee to work for just the one employer. Perhaps require the employer to send in verification that the employee is still needed and that he is will be working on site.

Once we have this system in place, then we could have the local police and ICE agents collect the rest of the illegals and deport them city by city across the United States. As each state comes up for it's 'clean up' I would favor a $10,000 fine for hiring a person in that state who isn't a US citizen or someone who doesn't have a Guest Worker identification card. That state should expel all students who aren't citizens, who aren't here on student visas or the children of authorized workers also.

We cannot afford to pay the costs of these people if they are refusing to learn to speak English and assimilate into our communities. Their costs are much higher than their contributions.

133 posted on 05/25/2006 7:12:38 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Immigration Control and Border Security -The jobs George W. Bush doesn't want to do.)
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