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To: oceanview
There is a big question mark concerning Tammiflu. If it honestly worked, people wouldn't die.

What can you do? More than some people will!..Prepare for at least a month of quarantine. Have extra Meds, Vitamins, hygiene products. Buy canned goods you can eat without cooking, when the power grid goes down.. But eat your cold and frozen food first. Have containers to draw water. That's a start.

The worst case scenario is the panic buying that will follow the announcement the flu is here. It will be mass hysteria.

The Nation will shut down and nothing will get to the grocery stores which won't be staffed or open anyway. The Bird Flu exists..it's not an imaginary Y2K. All the experts agree it's coming. Oh, and get a gun.

Go to www.avianflutalk.com The forum covers all you need to know.

sw

65 posted on 05/25/2006 5:58:17 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife ("We can not save the world, but we can destroy our country if we fail to act".)
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To: spectre

www.fluwikie.com

another good spot for information. and the forum has lots of discussions about preparations and food storage.


67 posted on 05/25/2006 6:10:58 AM PDT by Gabz (Proud to be a WalMartian --- beep)
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An update on the quarantine in Bucharest follows - OB1:

Quarantine in Romania to stop bird flu doubted
By Nicholas Wood International Herald Tribune

THURSDAY, MAY 25, 2006

BUCHAREST For most of the past four days, few people have moved into or out of an eastern district of this capital that was under quarantine after an outbreak of bird flu. A cordon surrounded seven streets, and similar measures were in effect in another neighborhood of the city, affecting about 60,000 people.

Officials from the World Health Organization said they believed it to be the first time that the movements of so many people were restricted because of bird flu. The Romanian authorities said the tough measures were necessary when the virus threatened an urban area, an assertion WHO disputes.

"It is much easier to clean and monitor a farm complex," said Constantin Cruceanu, a government veterinarian tasked with overseeing the clean up operation Tuesday morning. "Here, it can spread among the houses."

A town in central Romania, Codlea, and its 23,000 residents, were also put under quarantine. All this happened after a dead chicken was discovered to have been infected with the H5N1 virus that health officials fear might mutate into a human epidemic.

Romania was one of the first European countries to be affected by bird flu last fall, but until now outbreaks have been limited to rural areas. The prospect of tackling bird flu among rows of packed houses with small backyards has alarmed government officials. But by Tuesday afternoon, the authorities said the danger of contamination had been reduced. The government relaxed measures in the capital and in Codlea.

International health experts questioned the necessity of placing humans under quarantine, and critics suggested the heavy-handed response was a way of covering up the government's inability to stop the virus in the first place.

"Generally we do not recommend that the movement of people is restricted to contain an animal outbreak," said Maria Cheng, spokeswoman for the World Health Organization in Geneva. In the effected areas, many residents seemed confused about the threat to their communities.

"People do not understand, we do not have clarity about what has happened," said Robu Stoica, a teacher from Codlea who was unable to go to work. He said many residents were not clear on whether there was still a threat or not.

On Monday, Romanian television broadcast scenes of angry residents demanding that they be allowed to go to work. Several said they had to pay for food the government provided.

If a quarantine was indeed necessary, it would have to last longer to do its job, said Tibor Kalnoky, a veterinarian and ornithologist working near Codlea. "From a medical point of view a quarantine for four days is ridiculous," he said. "You need about a week or 10 days."

Government officials have recalled a great quantity of chicken meat from across Romania. The director and the manager of one chicken farm in Codlea were arrested by the police on Sunday in connection with the outbreak. But Kalnoky said the government had overlooked the more obvious source of the disease.

"These farms are on the shores of a lake that is one of the major routes for migratory birds," he said. "It was obvious it would be a source of major infection but they did nothing to monitor it."

BUCHAREST For most of the past four days, few people have moved into or out of an eastern district of this capital that was under quarantine after an outbreak of bird flu.

A cordon surrounded seven streets, and similar measures were in effect in another neighborhood of the city, affecting about 60,000 people.

Officials from the World Health Organization said they believed it to be the first time that the movements of so many people were restricted because of bird flu. The Romanian authorities said the tough measures were necessary when the virus threatened an urban area, an assertion WHO disputes.

"It is much easier to clean and monitor a farm complex," said Constantin Cruceanu, a government veterinarian tasked with overseeing the clean up operation Tuesday morning. "Here, it can spread among the houses."

A town in central Romania, Codlea, and its 23,000 residents, were also put under quarantine. All this happened after a dead chicken was discovered to have been infected with the H5N1 virus that health officials fear might mutate into a human epidemic.

Romania was one of the first European countries to be affected by bird flu last fall, but until now outbreaks have been limited to rural areas. The prospect of tackling bird flu among rows of packed houses with small backyards has alarmed government officials.

But by Tuesday afternoon, the authorities said the danger of contamination had been reduced. The government relaxed measures in the capital and in Codlea.

International health experts questioned the necessity of placing humans under quarantine, and critics suggested the heavy-handed response was a way of covering up the government's inability to stop the virus in the first place.

"Generally we do not recommend that the movement of people is restricted to contain an animal outbreak," said Maria Cheng, spokeswoman for the World Health Organization in Geneva.

In the effected areas, many residents seemed confused about the threat to their communities. "People do not understand, we do not have clarity about what has happened," said Robu Stoica, a teacher from Codlea who was unable to go to work. He said many residents were not clear on whether there was still a threat or not.

On Monday, Romanian television broadcast scenes of angry residents demanding that they be allowed to go to work. Several said they had to pay for food the government provided.

If a quarantine was indeed necessary, it would have to last longer to do its job, said Tibor Kalnoky, a veterinarian and ornithologist working near Codlea. "From a medical point of view a quarantine for four days is ridiculous," he said. "You need about a week or 10 days."

Government officials have recalled a great quantity of chicken meat from across Romania. The director and the manager of one chicken farm in Codlea were arrested by the police on Sunday in connection with the outbreak. But Kalnoky said the government had overlooked the more obvious source of the disease.

"These farms are on the shores of a lake that is one of the major routes for migratory birds," he said. "It was obvious it would be a source of major infection but they did nothing to monitor it."

69 posted on 05/25/2006 6:12:30 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (This is no time for bleeding hearts, pacifists, and appeasers to prevail in free world opinion.)
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To: spectre
"The worst case scenario is the panic buying that will follow the announcement the flu is here. It will be mass hysteria."

Yup. It won't be pretty if it happens. I'm completely prepared, candy too, lol.

71 posted on 05/25/2006 6:16:31 AM PDT by blam
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To: spectre

I don't know that I can even store that much food, but I can get some I guess. why would the power grid go down?


78 posted on 05/25/2006 2:55:31 PM PDT by oceanview
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