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Search did not find this posted yet.....FYI re: H5N1
1 posted on 05/24/2006 9:09:36 AM PDT by OB1kNOb
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H5N1 - Ping.


2 posted on 05/24/2006 9:10:56 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (This is no time for bleeding hearts, pacifists, and appeasers to prevail in free world opinion.)
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This is how the NWO is going to start its takeover!!!


3 posted on 05/24/2006 9:11:48 AM PDT by xrp (Fox News Channel: MISSING WHITE GIRL NETWORK)
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If I am on your ping list, please remove me. Thank you.


4 posted on 05/24/2006 9:12:42 AM PDT by trubluolyguy (When Ted Kennedy and HRC support you Mr. President, it's time for some soul searching)
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Maybe just a touch overreaction? Bird flu isn't vampires: no need to panic.


5 posted on 05/24/2006 9:14:09 AM PDT by RightWhale (Off touch and out of base)
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They had to find a reason to clear the area so the aliens could land.


7 posted on 05/24/2006 9:26:59 AM PDT by Mrs. Shawnlaw (No NAIS! And the USDA can bugger off, too!)
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This doesn't make sense. Either the whole story's not being reported or the Romanain government's out of control. They're quarantining 13000 people because of sick or dead birds? That's crazy. The only good reason for a quarantine, IMHO, is human to human infections.


13 posted on 05/24/2006 9:46:20 AM PDT by pgkdan
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why has this flu been confined to domesticated poultry?



how about the obvious? its transmitted to the birds by humans.
humans have been the vector of the virus, but not diseased....but that
may be changing. the recent case of 6 members of one family now dead
in Sumatra is alarming. it indicates the possibility of a new
mutation that is not content to ride along in its host.


29 posted on 05/24/2006 11:00:56 AM PDT by kralcmot (my tagline died with Terri)
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To: OB1kNOb

Forget it! They just haven't bathed in ten years!


30 posted on 05/24/2006 11:05:35 AM PDT by Doc Savage (Bueller?....Bueller?...Bueller?...Bueller?...Pelosi?...Pelosi?...Pelosi?...)
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I thought it was appropriate to post this report under the primary report. It is pretty clear to me that the UN controlled WHO is dropping the ball all over the world. WHO may also be committing intentional, flagrant errors that will impact the entire world. This report makes my own conclusion seem a bit obvious:

Extended Human to Human H5N1 Transmission in North Sumatra

Recombinomics Commentary
May 23, 2006

The case occurred in a 32-year-old man. He developed symptoms on 15 May and died on 22 May.

The case is part of a family cluster in the Kubu Sembelang village, Karo District, of North Sumatra.

His 10-year-old son died of H5N1 infection on 13 May. The father was closely involved in caring for his son, and this contact is considered a possible source of infection.

Although the investigation is continuing, preliminary findings indicate that three of the confirmed cases spent the night of 29 April in a small room together with the initial case at a time when she was symptomatic and coughing frequently. These cases include the woman's two sons and a second brother, aged 25 years, who is the sole surviving case among infected members of this family. Other infected family members lived in adjacent homes.

The above WHO description of the North Sumatra familial cluster suggests that H5N1 bird flu was transmitted human-to-human (H2H) through three generations.  Most H2H of H5N1 has a 2-4 day incubation period, which explains the 5-10 day gap between the index case and other family members in the vast majority of clusters since 2004. The incubation range would explain all of the transmissions in the above Indonesian cluster.

The index case developed symptoms on April 27 and was symptomatic and coughing on April 29 when she could have infected her two sons (19M and 18M) and one brother (25M) generating H2H..  Media reports indicated they developed symptoms at the beginning of May, consistent with a 2-4 day incubation period.  Disease onset dates were not included in the earlier WHO update.

The index case died May 4 so additional family members could have been infected at that time by the members who developed symptoms at the beginning of May.  The new infections would extend the chain to H2H2H.  Included would have be the nephew of the index case (10M) who died May 13. The nephew could have then infected his father (32M) who developed symptoms on May 15.  This last infection would extend the chain to H2H2H2H.

The above scenario requires no tortured logic or unusual incubation times.  This is in marked contrast to WHO updates, which tried to explain clusters using common source and incubation times that fell outside of the 2-4 day period, which explains the extended chain above.

One earlier example was in late December of 2004.  It also involved a family gathering and the cases were linked to duck blood pudding.  However, the index case developed symptoms one day after the meal, which requires an unusually short incubation time.  His brother developed symptoms 17 days after the meal, requiring an unusually long incubation.  The brother-in-law who was the third person to eat the pudding developed no symptoms or detectable antibody.  A third brother who did not eat the pudding did develop antibodies.  The epidemiological data clearly pointed away from the duck blood pudding as a source, yet WHO subsequently used the 17 day incubation period as an outside value for incubation times.

The same logic was applied to another cluster that also involved duck blood pudding.  The index case developed symptoms 5 days after the meal and his younger sister developed symptoms 10 days after the meal.  The older sister who also had the pudding developed no symptoms or detectable antibody, but the grandfather who did not eat the pudding had antibodies and the nurse of the index case developed symptoms and was H5N1 positive.  Another nurse also developed symptoms, but she tested negative.

These two clusters and almost all familial clusters from Vietnam, Thailand, Cambodia, Indonesia, China, Turkey, Iraq, and Azerbaijan have the same 5-10 day gap and are readily explained using a 2-4 day incubation period coupled with transmission 2-6 days after symptoms.

The H5N1 transmission chain of H2H2H2H is among the longest reported, and generates yet another signal indicating the H2H transmission within families is common and several recent clusters are uncommonly large and have uncommonly long H2H transmission chains.

The H2H transmission placed the pandemic phase at four or higher over a year ago and the "proof" of H2H has been in the disease onset dates in the WHO updates since early 2004.

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We do not know yet what is actually going on in Bucharest. But the situation certainly appears ominous. But I am very happy the government took steps to quarantine the local area. Read more Bird Flu reports?
32 posted on 05/24/2006 11:08:51 AM PDT by ex-Texan (Matthew 7:1 through 6)
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getting closer.
Europe this summer/fall, the continental US next spring, y'reckon?


45 posted on 05/24/2006 1:47:53 PM PDT by King Prout (many complain I am overly literal... this would not be a problem if fewer people were under-precise)
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I heard a radio news report tonight that said that the indonesian outbreak "responded to Tammiflu". what's that all about, did some of the victims there recover using Tammiflu?


58 posted on 05/24/2006 7:26:26 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: OB1kNOb

bump


75 posted on 05/25/2006 8:38:22 AM PDT by GOPJ (Real trolls are brief, insulting, and at the top of threads.)
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