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Hillary appalled
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/05/23/everest.deaths.hillary.ap/index.html ^

Posted on 05/23/2006 8:15:29 PM PDT by jbp1

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To: Yehuda
>"(climb mountains and leave their fellow to die) and somehow we Jews get blamed..."

It's either all the fault of the Jooooos, or Bush's fault.

If Bush were Jewish the universe would collapse on itself and space time would cease to exist! Again it would be the Jooooos and Bush's fault!

/s for the sarcasm impaired

61 posted on 05/23/2006 10:04:19 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (I'd rather be carrying a shotgun with Dick, than riding shotgun with a Kennedyl!)
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To: al baby
Mrs. Clinton is named after him

Several years before he climbed to the sumit of Everest.

62 posted on 05/23/2006 10:09:53 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: plain talk
situations where the appearance of what they did looks bad but the reality is they couldn't have done anything else to save him.

It takes a hell of a lot more oxygen to continue climbing that to go back down. In a case like this you abandon you climb, share your oxygen and back down.

63 posted on 05/23/2006 10:34:42 PM PDT by cpdiii (Socialism is popular with the ruling class. It gives legitimacy to tyranny and despotism.)
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To: jbp1
If one attempts one of the high mountains or "seven summits," good mountaineering style suggests that one needs to plan for the contingency of rescuing others in need on the way up. It is a lot like planning for the continency of bad weather, a frequent and hard to predict occurence on high mountains.

The cost of climbing a mountain increases exponentially with altitude, especially above 23,000 ft.

Experienced mountaineers like Hillary can pretty much read into the background of a situation from a distance. Generally, they can make a correct call without actually having to be there in person because of experience.

A large part of why accidents happen on high mountains is due to ego. If you put your life savings in climbing Everest, your ego is invested in getting to the top. The problem is that a lot of people take too many chances, making for a lot of people up high who simply need to be rescued by the remainder who are actually competent. You are lucky if you climb a high mountain and don't run into this situation. Otherwise, take the $60K cost of preparing for an Everest climb and multiply it by two or more to account for the cost of rescuing others rather than proceeding to the top.

64 posted on 05/23/2006 11:40:03 PM PDT by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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To: David Allen

From an Everest site:

http://www.mounteverest.net/news.php?id=2100

And another article on three Koreans who died, one covered in snow and left to die.

http://www.mounteverest.net/story/stories/AnoviceclimberstaleofEverestWecoveredhimupwithsnowandhejustwenttosleepJun152004.shtml


Ego over humanity.


65 posted on 05/24/2006 12:01:12 AM PDT by kenth
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To: al baby
Mrs. Clinton is named after him

No she's not.
She lied about that and never was called on it.
She was born some 8 years before Hillary ever climbed Mount Everest. Edmund Hillary was an unknown New Zealand beekeeper at the time.

Then she met him once, and spurted out her big lie - one of many more to come - and the Dems believed her.
The presstitutes won't touch this one.

66 posted on 05/24/2006 12:04:41 AM PDT by Bon mots
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To: kenth

Indeed, it is ego over humanity. It's the worship of Self.


67 posted on 05/24/2006 6:05:20 AM PDT by David Allen (the presumption of innocence - what a concept!)
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To: justche
by just sitting there with someone making him comfortable you have 12 hours per bottle right?

Most likely not (12 hours) at 28,000 ft....see post 52 (Dead Zone.)

How much oxygen do you have? Can you get to the oxygen cache and how much oxygen will you use in the process? Has the cache gone empty or been robbed? And remember that you have to get yourself off the mountain. How's the weather--now. And what will it be like 3 hours from now? Are you part of the circus of people who shouldn't be on the mountain to start with? Sharp had two Everest summits under his belt and he got into trouble. And all of this assumes that you're thinking clearly, that prolonged exposure to extreme altitude hasn't affected your mental process--that you're not up against the wall of the 2-3 days that are survivable above 26,000'. It may be that the best you can do is hope to live to tell about it.

A couple of interesing, eye-opening books on what climbing Everest is really like (concerning what can and, all too often, does go wrong--May '96 climbing season disasters) are Into Thin Air-Jon Krakauer and The Climb-Anatoli Boukreev. If you read one, you must read the other.

68 posted on 05/24/2006 6:57:23 AM PDT by elli1
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