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To: FJ290
When you say that you don't believe the Bible to be 100% accurate as God's word, but turn around and say I like these passages and a few others, that's a classic case of having your cake and eating it too, IMO.

I feel a bit like I'm talking to a wall(g). Perhaps when I said this it wasn't as clear to you as it seemed to me?:

Perhaps you can understand that we come from such wildly divergent places in our belief systems that it is a challenge to find things that we can agree on and that I am trying to use your language even though it is not mine.

I am bending over backwards here to try and talk to you in your own language. I am not a Christian. I do not believe what you believe. I don't know how many different times and ways I need to say that?! It is not in the least unusual to like parts of a book and not the whole book. It is not in the least unusual to find a particular passage in a book beautiful and other parts off the mark.

I do not understand why it is so difficult for you to understand that we do not share the same beliefs? I do not believe that God is part hate. It makes no sense to me. I believe that God is Love. I have said that. It seems to me that you believe that God is sometimes Love and sometimes hate. That doesn't make sense to me.

This interview with God is more in line with my beliefs than the hellfire stuff.

But it *does* say in the Bible that God is Love. Jesus did say that the two greatest commandments are to love God and love your neighbor as yourself. So my question is why all the obsession with homosexuals? Why the hatred?

Everyone sins, by your belief system! Everyone! Lots of people flaunt their sins. Not all homosexuals are activists. Surely that is obvious to you. What is the reason for the focus on such a tiny part of the population?

There is a quote from Mark Twain that applies:

Go to Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company.

I am not motivated by fear. It doesn't work with me to try and scare me into believing something. I prefer to do things because I want to because I choose to. I want to become a better and better person because I love God - not because I fear Him. I want to love more and forgive more because that is who I want to be - not because I might get a reward.

I hope that you can open your mind enough to realize that you and I are NOT going to agree - but maybe, possibly, we can understand each other.

405 posted on 05/26/2006 9:08:59 PM PDT by Sunsong
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To: Sunsong
the two greatest commandments are to love God and love your neighbor as yourself. So my question is why all the obsession with homosexuals? Why the hatred?

For the last time:

(1) God Himself hates homosexuality. You don't accept this because you are (by your own admission) not a Christian and do not accept the Bible, however you are well aware that there are passages in Bible unequivocally rejecting homosexuality, and that these commandments (unlike, say, the rules of kosher and circumcision), were NEVER repealed.

(2) Hatred of a destructive addiction does NOT equal hatred of the addict. Does AA hate alcoholics? Indeed, if we hated homosexuals we'd shut up, and let them go to hell unchallenged.

(3) Resisting a socially destructive agenda does not necessarily equal hating the other side, although admittedly it can generate a lot of anger sometimes. Especially when it's a proven civilization-destroyer such as homosexuality, which historically has brought down every nation that was ever stupid enough to tolerate it.

There. I've made it as simple as possible. If you don't get it now, it's because you refuse to.

407 posted on 05/26/2006 11:03:49 PM PDT by Rytwyng
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To: Sunsong
am bending over backwards here to try and talk to you in your own language. I am not a Christian. I do not believe what you believe. I don't know how many different times and ways I need to say that?! It is not in the least unusual to like parts of a book and not the whole book. It is not in the least unusual to find a particular passage in a book beautiful and other parts off the mark.

Sunsong, I totally understand that you aren't a Chrisitian and you don't believe what I believe. It appears you are approaching Sacred Scripture as a secular piece of literature. It isn't! It's the holy work of God, a revered, treasured book among Christians. We don't approach it that way and we strongly caution others not to as well.

I do not understand why it is so difficult for you to understand that we do not share the same beliefs? I do not believe that God is part hate. It makes no sense to me. I believe that God is Love. I have said that. It seems to me that you believe that God is sometimes Love and sometimes hate. That doesn't make sense to me.

God is not part hate, but He is a God of justice. He doesn't allow unrepentant sin to go unpunished. God gives us a mandate to be holy, as He is holy. Is it being holy to be a homosexual? No, because God considers it an abomination.

I've always liked interview with God. It's nice.

But it *does* say in the Bible that God is Love. Jesus did say that the two greatest commandments are to love God and love your neighbor as yourself. So my question is why all the obsession with homosexuals? Why the hatred?

I don't hate anyone, but I will tell you what Scripture says. I will not bend to accomodate political correctness and pat you on the back and tell you because "God is love" that means homosexuality is okay. That would be blatant lie that contradicts Scripture.

Sunsong, I don't mean to offend you but I have noticed in my experience in trying to communicate the message of Scripture to homosexuals you all use the excuse of "hatred" when you don't like what it says. I know all the buzz words, homophobic, bigot, hatred, closed minded...it's a tactic used to make someone invisualize homosexuals as "victims." You're not victims. You freely choose to turn your back on God's word and continue in a sin that is abominable to Him. (*you* is the collective you for homosexual community)When you do that, please don't act shocked that Christians don't approve of your behavior.

Everyone sins, by your belief system! Everyone! Lots of people flaunt their sins. Not all homosexuals are activists. Surely that is obvious to you. What is the reason for the focus on such a tiny part of the population?

All sinners are called to repentance. The focus on this tiny part of the population is that they flaunt that sin in everyone's face. They don't get away with sinning anymore than anyone else just because they are gay. You don't have divine rights over any other human being.

I am not motivated by fear. It doesn't work with me to try and scare me into believing something. I prefer to do things because I want to because I choose to. I want to become a better and better person because I love God - not because I fear Him. I want to love more and forgive more because that is who I want to be - not because I might get a reward.

Okay, you say you love God. Prove to Him how much you love Him and stop being a homosexual, an act which He abhores.

I hope that you can open your mind enough to realize that you and I are NOT going to agree - but maybe, possibly, we can understand each other.

Oh brother, Sunsong. Here comes the typical "open your mind." My wife is yelling at me to come eat lunch so I better do as she says.. I know who is boss around here (lol!)but real quick... my kids use to say to me when they were teenagers, "Oh Dad, open your mind.." I told them we can open our minds so much sometimes that our brains fall out! There are times we should safe guard our minds against wrong thinking.

409 posted on 05/27/2006 11:06:58 AM PDT by FJ290
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