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There's plenty of evidence. The pro-gay contingent in ECUSA have published quite a lot of stuff. . . which I read when I was still an Episcopalian and trying to get a handle on exactly what their intentions were. They want to take over the church and silence all those who oppose their view of marriage as available to all. Like "open communion" destroys the meaning of the Eucharist, this destroys the meaning of what marriage is.

If you go and read the websites of the GLBTQ activists groups, it's all there. I don't spend my time there, have better things to do.

And WRT liberties and legal rights, it doesn't matter what they SAY they believe . . . they can say they believe anything. What matters is what is available to them as a matter of law. That's not arguable or a matter of personal opinion. The law varies somewhat from state to state, but it is clear that in this state you can set up whatever legal relationship you like between adults. My dad is a lawyer, and he helped the two ladies next door get their domestic situation regularized. It wasn't difficult. In fact, it's so easy to set up that the local activists clearly have something else in mind when they're claiming that they don't have the same rights and liberties as everybody else.

I have not read those web sites. Do you have any links to them expressing thier agenda?

And WRT liberties and legal rights, it doesn't matter what they SAY they believe . . . they can say they believe anything. What matters is what is available to them as a matter of law.

Well, it may not matter to you what they say - but it matters to them. I'm sure you understand that. I think it was kind of your father to help the two ladies next door. Perhaps if more people were doing things like that the *issue* could more easily be resolved? As far as I understand things, it is a matter of having the same liberties as everyone else and if the financial and legal matters were resolved - it seems to me that that would be a huge step forward.