Posted on 05/23/2006 11:53:56 AM PDT by Moonman62
They tell me the "research" says that having a handgun in your home makes it 40 times more likely that a family member will commit suicide, and that if banning handguns "saves just one child" it's all worth it, and I'm just a selfish bastard if I don't agree.
But at least I know there are some Walmartians you like!!!!!
Yeah, and I realize I just spelled it wrong. I was late getting out the spelling list this week. Yeah, there are many Walmartians I like even though I'm not one of them. I'm not even a targetteer, a Blue Light Bunny, or even Searsious shopper. I had to buy some clothes the other day--I got sick for 2 days after that!
I think it actually is because of the cows burping.
We have had an increase in meth-ane labs you know.
Fine. You worry about your kids, I'll worry about mine. Try and poke your overly long proboscis into my business and I'll remove it for you.
I noticed you didn't formulate a coherent reply to my last summation of the situation. You stated that no correlation was present in the study, and yet there was also no direct causative link defined between increased cotinine levels in asthmatics and behavioral issues in general. Specifically any links between non-asmatic children and increased cotinine levels which would be a control study for any factors related between having asthma and behavioral issues.
In essence, you don't have a flipping clue what you are talking about. You just think smoking is icky and there "oughta be a law".
Smoking is icky. That is why I quite. Almost 4 years ago now. No law required. No should there be.
There is a colossal waste of tax money going on in government whereby useless studies based on junk science are used to justify expanding government power and litigative actions.
This has to stop before it destroys the entire country along with everything else that is going on.
I did comment about a general, global impression I have on these threads. General--as in no specific--as in G E N E R A L--with all the hazards that go with being general.
DANG--you outrank me!:)
>>SAN FRANCISCO -- A new Cincinnati Children's Hospital Medical Center study shows that exposure to environmental tobacco smoke, even at extremely low levels, is associated with behavior problems in children and pre-teens.<<
"Associated" isn't the same as "caused."
"Associated" isn't the same as "caused."
Too many real ones put into those candy cigarettes I think. :)
Like I said, tobacco use has been on the decline for that last 20 years, and they claim these "behavioural problems" have been on the increase for the last 20 years. The only evidence this "study" considers is the tobacco smoke, and they conclude that it is responsible for that increase. I'm not sure what your definition of "solid research" is, but this isn't lining up with mine.
This is so much BS. Back in the 30's and 40's, most people smoked and children were far better behaved. Another suck-butt lib lie!
"They tell me the "research" says that having a handgun in your home makes it 40 times more likely that a family member will commit suicide, and that if banning handguns "saves just one child" it's all worth it, and I'm just a selfish bastard if I don't agree."
It's the same warped logic used with tobacco. Legal product, but they want to control it, tax the hell out of it, then ban it. No good can come of these things. Hitler had a anti-tobacco campaign too, along with fire-arm confiscations, and book-burnings. We saw how he helped the "children", didn't we.
Wishing it otherwise won't change that fact.
Pretending it's otherwise doesn't change that fact.
Pontificating as though it's otherwise doesn't change that fact.
Libertarians love to talk about the freedom to do whatever as long as it doesn't hurt someone else.
The overwhelming majority of the evidence demonstrates that second hand smoke is destructive. One can argue about the degree and the implications but that it is destructive is born out by an abundance of evidence.
Many justify ignoring the evidence.
I don't consider selfishness a good justification for anything. It's certainly not a good justification for freedom. The only good, solid, lasting, effective, true foundation for freedom, other than God, is personal RESPONSIBILITY.
There is NO GROUNDS from any solid research--particularly repeated research--which justifies any assumption that there is NO 0.00000% causation between second hand smoke and destructiveness in children's health and lives.
Pretending otherwise does NOT make it so.
The science is solid. The implications are debatable. I see no evidence of purposeful misinterpretation except by the smokers on this thread.
I bet you've been busier than a one armed wallpaper hanger, I know I have been.
Thank you for your personally addressed assault and insult.
Thankfully, I know that THE TRUTH in a multitude of subject areas is a keen priority and interest to me--including this subject area.
It would be great to believe that was true about all FREEPERS.
"I think it actually is because of the cows burping.
We have had an increase in meth-ane labs you know."
LOL!
The science is solid. The implications are debatable. I see no evidence of purposeful misinterpretation except by the smokers on this thread.
There may be some evidence for smoking affecting fetuses, but I haven't seen it in kids much. In fact, my next door neighbors smoke heavily and their kid is the best behaved kid on the block. I am a nonsmoker by the way and will always be that way--I can't stand the smoke. But I do think that smoking does not make a person a bad person.
Do you think this article was posted purely for scientific discussion, or as evidence to support a goverment imposed ban?
Those cowpies have become much more enriched in recent years.
I think one of us misread the research.
I do not recall the research blaming
all
that increase on second hand smoke at all.
This is getting dull and wearying. I'll likely bow out before long. Cheers.
I bet you've been busier than a one armed wallpaper hanger, I know I have been
Or a no-handed window washer. I did get a teaching award the other day. It was neat that a parent would take that amount of time out of a busy schedule to go through so much trouble in nominating me. It's been weird two weeks or so.
That is a good perspective to have. As should everyone.
But not a wholesale narrow, rigid, blindly biased, selfishly motivated toss in the trash of every aspect of solid research.
When I find some solid research that is not narrow, rigid, blindly biased, and selfishly motivated from the anti-smokers I'll be more than happy to talk with you about it.
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