Posted on 05/23/2006 11:34:06 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
There is no conceivable "upside" for the KGB to have Golitsyn spill the beans on their operation.
The only result of the supposed "disinformation" would be to make us more suspicious and less likely to cave to whatever feints and ploys they offered. This is precisely the opposite of what they would want.
And your "paralysis" theory over Angleton is simply silly. He was never paralyzed, albeit he did credence Golitsyn over some of the other, less-well-positioned defectors. Who, in subsequent years have become more suspect.
And the popular claims against defectors on Russian-state controlled television...please...the last thing the KGB would do is say how the defectors who might be compromising still an ONGOING ploy....had hurt them.
Don't know much about the issue.
"the faux-westernization of Russia was a grand hoax designed to extract capital from the west to rebuild their military and infrastructure."
BINGO!
we'll have to wait - the phone is being used .
And you call us conspiracy theorists while you believe that lulu?? You may be right but look at the web you have to weave to get there. In comparison, we are only doing normal inductive reasoning based on what is known.
Must be a Party line, pun necessary.
"Toughness of Russia, in turn, allows the KGB veterans to get the ear of Putin and co. and convince them that the US is out to occupy Russia. "
We did not get tough with Russia till the Ukraine Election scam - and thats when oil mysteriously plummeted to $38 - IN DECEMBER!!! Clearly, your thesis defies the laws of the space/time continuum.
Romanov, a simple "Straw Man" retort!? You are capable of far better spin than that. Would you care for a do over? How about something along the lines of straw dog or reducio ad absurdum? You have not tried that in a while.
HAH!! or a cell phone?
Some governments pay individuals for foreign media advocacy (including advocacy through the Internet), and it's not all that uncommon. Italy does, for one.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/11/12/172635.shtml
(NewsMax)
Russia and Immigrants From the USSR
Dr. Alexandr Nemets
Wednesday, Nov. 13, 2002
Moscow Plans Regarding 'Former Russian Jews'
Oh really? Wow, so Bush and Cheney have been misled by these conspirazoid lobbyists just like Putin has? What fools!
And this really has nothing to do with Atomic Ayatollahs, using energy as a weapon to intimidate and blackmail US allies and violating the sovereignty of Russia's neighbors? Damn Bush and Cheney for playing on our irrational fears.
HA! "We" - you have never been tough on Russia - just in rhetoric. Puhleeze, you have grabbed at the wrong "straw" for years and now are apopletic. And, as usual, you miss the big picture. Of course had I spent most of my life following a KGB agent and declaring him the second-coming I'd be a bit disappointed too. You still have time to redeem yourself.
It's hard for you to see that you've followed a KGB agent for so long? Shame. Answer me this: If former KGB agents or any KGB agents are not to be believed why have you decided to follow Golytsin. Read the timeline. Do you realize how odd it is for a KGB "defector" to get so close to a counterintelligence chief like Angleton?
"Oh really? Wow, so Bush and Cheney have been misled by these conspirazoid lobbyists just like Putin has? What fools!"
Neither Bush, no Cheney have called Russia the enemy. As the Golytsinites have. Do the math. But nice and predicted spin. You guys have won me some money from real analysts and I thank you! bahahahaha
Evidently you don't know who Penkovsky and Polyakov were. They were executed.
Look, I know its hard for you to realize you have fallen for a typical KGB operation. But Golytsin is a plant and has always been one. Perhaps you might want to look at the timeline AGAIN. Philby-Angleton-Golytsin. It's no coincidence.
Show me ONE thing Golytsin was accurate on. ONE. There are none. Or is it your position that the former Warsaw PAct countries, including those now in NATO, are plotting against us? Is it your position that the Russian military isn't suffering from low morale, rusting equipment, and a conscript force that is killing each other?
As predicted! ;)
You miss the point. The Russian organization IS presented in a negative light in the article - that was my point. That Russian organization is the exact same as the paranoics that worship at the Golytsin alter over here. They see forces at work that don't exist and worship false prophets.
Oh so what is Putin reacting to then? Who is the culprit who has given Putin the excuse and justification for putting his fellow loyal Chekists into positions of power? More importantly, how can we convince Putin that we all just want to get along and sing Kumbaya together? How can we possibly appease Putin and achieve peace in our time?
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