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To: spunkets
"Sir Edmund Hillary, who made the climb before it was a "holiday" for the idle rich,"

Sir Edmond Hillary was the idle rich. He was on "holiday" as you say.

"Sir Edmund Hillary, ... disagrees with your climbing conclusions and expertise.

I doubt it.

"I'll have to choose his opinion."

Hillary wasn't there. If Hillary carried a dead body back, then you have a point about what he would do, otherwise not.


http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/05/24/D8HQB8BO0.html

Hillary and Sherpa Tenzing Norgay in 1953 became the first mountaineers to reach Everest's summit. Hillary said in an interview published Wednesday in a New Zealand newspaper that some climbers today did not care about the welfare of others.

"There have been a number of occasions when people have been neglected and left to die and I don't regard this as a correct philosophy," he told the Otago Daily Times.

"I think the whole attitude toward climbing Mount Everest has become rather horrifying. The people just want to get to the top," he told the newspaper.

Hillary told New Zealand Press Association he would have abandoned his own pioneering climb to save another's life.

"It was wrong if there was a man suffering altitude problems and was huddled under a rock, just to lift your hat, say 'good morning' and pass on by," he said.

He said that his expedition, "would never for a moment have left one of the members or a group of members just lie there and die while they plugged on towards the summit."
381 posted on 05/25/2006 4:48:15 AM PDT by Diggler
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To: Diggler

Seems the difference between Sir Hillary and the forty who passed the dying man, was that Sir Hillary was wise enough to have a whole team. The forty were doing it in tiny groups or even by their lonesome.


383 posted on 05/25/2006 5:19:34 AM PDT by The Red Zone
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To: Diggler
Thanks. I saw a thread on this later. As far as I'm concerned, Hillary didn't address the heart of the matter. All he said was what his team would do. This is not his team.

Mr. Hillery does have access to the appropriate relevant facts. He should have given them and made sure the journalist listed them. From what I have seen and read, the outfitters up there operate no differently than Mr Hillery is claiming. At least one died recently while tending to one of his downed clients. Mr. Hillery used part of that story to denigrate the operation.

The operator (Hall, I think)was advised to return to camp, because the man was too far gone. They sent some help, but it arrived too late. In the mean time Hall was supposed to head back, which he never did. That was Hall's wife back at camp. Mr. Hillery indicated that for Hall to return is somehow bad. He indicated that Hall should have stayed there and died with the client.

In this case, Sharp chose to go it alone. He took the minimal services required by the Red Chinese. That means he had some locals carry his bags up. He didn't have an outfitting op to look after him. Mr. Sharp went up alone. After having looked into this some more, it appears Sharp never made it down and spent the night near the Summit. He froze and not having enough Ox to burn fuel, He froze real good.

It looks like he was discovered by other folks, from other outfitters the next day. They were clients, not pros. Each team that went by consisted of folks from all over the world. Inglis's team was the only one to stop to assess the man's condition. They concluded, that he was too far gone and they could not get him down to do anything about it. I believe them. I can't say they were correct, but I can say they made a fair, honest assessment, that they could do nothing to save the man.

These guys that go with outfitters do so for the same reason that Hillary did. They have a big staff to provide services. Had Mr. Sharp paid for their services, the outfitter would have provided. It's not the job of the other clients, or outfitters up there to provide for folks that show up alone.

Now if Mr Hillery was up there outfitting, He would have been in the same predicament the Inglis's group was. They would have found out around the same time the Inglis group did, but probably later. So Hillery goes up. All he can do is drag the body back to camp, or die in the attempt to bring him down.

As far as the clients go, they do not go there to risk their lives bringing back falks that are too far gone. They can do that if they want, but there's no moral obligation to do so.

411 posted on 05/25/2006 9:02:15 AM PDT by spunkets
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