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To: Drammach
"I think you mis-read the dates involved here.."
"You've made it some 20,000 years older than it was.."

I don't understand, I didn't do anything, lol.

Now, (I will) there is at least one archaeologist (N. Narain) who thinks all Europeans have their origins in this area and migrated to Europe from this region.
The graves were all Caucasian up until about 100-200BC and then they began to slowly change to mixed Mongoloid/Caucasian. There were still Caucasian only graveyards in the region all the way up to the 1300's AD.

The DNA studies of professor Dr Stephen Oppenheimer indicate that about 50% of today's Europeans can trace their ancestors to one man from the Indus Valley who made his way to Europe through the Middle East.
The other 50% of Europeans can trace their origins to a son of the same man who made his way to Europe through Russia a thousand years later.

10 posted on 05/23/2006 10:14:50 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam
The DNA studies of professor Dr Stephen Oppenheimer indicate that about 50% of today's Europeans can trace their ancestors to one man from the Indus Valley who made his way to Europe through the Middle East.

Re: Indus Valley man, any date reference on that?
Just guessing, I would say before the last Ice Age..
That would be more than likely the 1st major expansion of mankind to the European mainland and north..

The other 50% of Europeans can trace their origins to a son of the same man who made his way to Europe through Russia a thousand years later.

Here, I look to the isolated pocket of Ice Age survivors in the Caucasus Mountains..
The area was effectively isolated for a long enough period for marked genetic change.. ( inbreeding? ) of a fairly isolated group of humans..
Red or blond hair, blue or green eyes, all recessives..

At the end of the Ice age, I expect one will find that this group spread out both east and west, possibly taking advantage of skills learned while in isolation..
The most important of those skills may have been the idea of domesticating horses.. ( I'm suggesting it started there, not that it was perfected.. )

I think that it will be found that the period of expansion from the end of the Ice Age will accurately correspond with the earliest settlements by "caucasians" in the area now known as China..
I am also very interested in your idea of a second advanced group moving north from the submerged remains of Indonesia.. ( Sundaland? ) I would guess that both expansions would have coincided at approximately the same period in history..

It is only (relatively) recently that the beginnings of civilization, nation-hood, group identity and territorialism have been introduced, along with somewhat outrageous claims of some groups that they have "always" inhabited a certain region..
I'm sure the Chinese are not the only ones that have many surprises coming concerning their past..

14 posted on 05/24/2006 11:57:09 PM PDT by Drammach (Freedom... Not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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