Posted on 05/22/2006 7:06:35 AM PDT by wcdukenfield
Sir, you speak for a lot of us here. W is a good man, but I am VERY disappointed with his not enforcing the rule of law.
You're absolutely correct. Bush is trying to prevent turning off the Latino vote (now bigger than the black vote) so that they won't be voting for the Democratic Party as a block, as the blacks do now.
For if that were to happen the black and Latino vote combined would deliver a solid 30% to the Democrats who would need only another 15% from blue state white liberals to control the Presidency and the Senate forever.
I'm afraid that some of our "base" Republican voters don't seem to be very strong in math and suffer from an inability to look beyond next week, let alone the next election.
How did President Bush and Karl Rove force the immigration issue to its current frenzy? As I recall it was the Minute Men and other activists getting high profiled that started this current round of attention to illegal immigrants. President Bush is now faulted for responding and trying to get something done. Since this posting is probably only among the first that will be posted today demanding or condemning or providing just plain Bush bashing opportunities, I will have a nice day in the beautiful outdoors. Sure beats being plopped at a computer reading the same posters hopping from thread to thread saying the same old things to one another. Making sure that every thread is turned into their own anti immigration chat room. This is getting very, very, old and so unproductive. The sincerity of the pundit class can be gaged thru the lens of self interest and I am not overly impressed with any of them. That goes for the talking heads as well. When I read on the bash Bush threads the caustic references to the 'sheeple', it becomes obvious that there is more than one set who fit that category. Nothing that President Bush does on the immigration matter, or the illegal part of it, will satisfy everybody. The venting against the Pres may be therapeutic but it has become so boring.
I have returned every single piece of RNC mail with a comment about immigration and NO CHECK. The only contributions I have made is to Kyl's re-election. I now have to leave the room when President Bush comes on to give a speech (just as I did during Clinton's tenure) because I am so angry with him.
EVERYONE I talk to feels the same way. But then, I live in Phoenix which is rapidly becoming a third world city, complete with crime, bribery, filthy streets, and you can go shopping for two hours and never hear a word of english spoken.
My neighborhood watch meetings now consist of which guns are the easiest for women to handle and who is taking shooting lessons where and how much do they cost and are the instructors any good (and that's just the discussions between the ladies)
But you make my point. You're still giving Kyl money and your vote. That's my point. This is NOT affecting your behavior towards the guy who is running (Kyl), just the guy who isn't (GWB.)
That's a good point, too. The whole premise is off. Hell, wasn't it Levin's good buddy Sean Hannity and the other talkers whoopin' things up? Michelle Malkin, et al. Yeah, now that I think of it, what the hell is Levin talking about? Add to that this:
Apparently Rove and Bush, not to mention McCain, et al, have decided the best approach is to parrot liberals. Therefore, they support making that which is illegal legal, pretend to care about border security, and are spreading around benefits and entitlements.
How does GWB's position now differ from his 2000 position on it? Seems the same to me. And wasn't Rove taken off the job of advising political policy?
There's a lot more going on than meets the eye. Here's an exchange I had with BobJ last Friday.
To: Bob J
I think that this is what is really going on, and it's been going on long before Bush came into office. I think the 9-11 attack may just have speeded things up.
[PDF] Building a North American Community
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A long-term goal. for a North American border action plan should be joint screening ... Building a North American Community. W. HAT WE SHOULD DO BY ...
http:www.cfr.org/content/publications/ attachments/NorthAmerica_TF_final.pdf - Similar pages
[PDF] Building a North American Community
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Building a North American Community. Report of the Independent Task Force ... long-term goal for a North American border action plan should be joint ...
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153 posted on 05/19/2006 3:47:35 PM EDT by Matchett-PI
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1635014/posts?page=153#153
To: Matchett-PI
Looks like a blueprint for what Bush and Congress is doing.
157 posted on 05/19/2006 4:01:45 PM EDT by Bob J
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1635014/posts?page=157#157
To: Bob J
Yep. It looks as if the borders that they are more intent on defending - probably for national security reasons - are the outer borders of all of North America.
Another consideration regarding national security concerns is that we get most of our oil from Canada and Mexico.
Bush has had a real mess dumped in his lap since he became president, and there are no "good" or "easy" options / solutions for him.
I do know that his #1 priority every day is his "duty" to protect the American people. That would NOT be the case with a RAT president.
172 posted on 05/19/2006 5:13:31 PM EDT by Matchett-PI
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1635014/posts?page=172#172
Yes, but I am an extremely active voter. The average voter will NOT be able to force themselves. Just talk to the people at work and the neighbors and you'll see what I mean. They are FED UP with all of them. You don't have to worry about republicans voting democrats, you have to worry about republicans finding something else to do on election day because they figure it won't make a difference anyway.
Oh I don't know about that. I'd argue the "extremely active" voter is more likely to be bipolar than the "average" voter. You're the one who feels strongly one way or the other. I think the average voter has low expectations to begin with, and is used to voting for someone who underwhelms them. And if people like you stay home on election day, you're definitely helping the DEMs and you know it.
Well, it appears that you seem to know all the answers so there's nothing to worry about. Nice talking to you (very similar talking to a wall, but.....)
I have believed for a long time that this is why Bush's numbers are "low".
It isn't that the religious nuts are the ones being polled-it's that the normal thinking Republican base and swing-voters have been completely turned off by the religious zealots, the antiimmigration hysterics, and so forth.
The GOP has lost its direction, but that seems to be because they are giving way too much attention to people who don't matter and allowing their issues to be determined for them, rather than setting the agenda.
I also believe there is not strong leadership below the President who are stepping up and helping define and set clear goals, and articulating to the base. People like Pat Robertson and Michelle Malkin have become the mouthpieces for the GOP, and both are extremists who claim to not even be Republican, yet they are being allowed to articulate the tone (hatefilled rhetoric) and agenda of the Republican party.
Thus the low poll numbers for Bush.
Levin has been part of the cabal DEMANDING the President tackle the illegal immigration issue.
Guess Levin doesn't like the backlash he's getting from some republicans so now Levin is deflecting blame.
IMO, this isn't the first issue that Levin has proven he's too much inside the talk show circuit and not enough out here in the real world.
The topic is being discussed and a bill will be agreed upon. That's what our form of government is all about.
No one gets everything they want.
We elected President Bush and if Levin wants to take his vote back....
"GWB's position on immigration, which is the same position he's held since before being elected president.."
That's true, no surpise, but then that was before 9/11.
excellent article.
Rush is all over this today... again. Anyone who says Rush is carrying water for the administration hasn't listened for the last week.
I agree with you. It seems the only time the Congressional Republicans can find their voice is when they oppose the President, even on issues they dropped the ball on long before he came to office or those they punted to the President because they didn't have the collective will to contain things like spending. And then they lack the savvy and foresight to express those differences in a way that doesn't jeopardize the conservative accomplishments realized under Bush.
Levin, Malkin, Limbaugh and the rest often dismiss the President's position as some cheap political ploy...that cynicism can work both ways. Bush has no more elections, no future where he will personally enjoy the fruits of any Hispanic vote his position might attract. But Limbaugh and the rest most certainly have a vested interested in political disharmony, it's how they make a living.
Thanks to our governor who speaks out of both sides of her mouth.
bttt
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