Posted on 05/22/2006 7:06:35 AM PDT by wcdukenfield
The first indication of this that I saw was an interesting news report within the last few months about a mayor in suburban Long Island, New York, who was instituting a "severe crackdown" on illegal aliens at the behest of the overwhelming outpouring of concern by the people in his town.
I tuned in to the report, very interested as I was to see what this "severe crackdown" would entail. They started with a bunch of interviews of local residents who were "outraged" and "finally had enough" with all of the illegal aliens in the town. They all said the mayor and police had to "do something about it."
As it turns out, the "severe crackdown" was just a matter of preventing the local pool of day laborers from hanging around in front of the local convenience store and the train station waiting to be picked up for work. No arrests on immigration charges, no threats of deportation, etc. In fact, the vast majority of these "outraged" people were perfectly comfortable with the idea that landscapers and contractors were hiring illegal immigrants to work all over the town -- and many of these "outraged" people were adamantly opposed to any suggestion that homeowners and/or private employers should be prosecuted for hiring illegal aliens and paying them cash for their work.
In other words, these "outraged" people really didn't give a sh!t at all about the illegal immigrants at all. They just didn't want them hanging around in plain sight where people driving through the town from other places could see them. So the "severe crackdown" involved nothing more than the enforcement of anti-loitering statutes that had been on the books for a hundred years. And these illegal immigrants still work in this town just as they always did . . . they just hang around in front of the convenience store and the train station in the NEXT town waiting to get picked up.
I keep posing this question, so I'll ask it again: if, in 2006, the debate is about amnesty/citizenship, rather than about expulsion/deportation, where will the line be drawn 20 years from now?
Aside from the Civil War, this country is entering its greatest period of, as the Chinese proverb alludes, 'interesting times'. WWII, WWIII (Cold War) & WWIV (WoT), while seemingly representing grave threats at the time, have nothing on illegal immigration as to the potential impact on the country itself.
And it ain't even a world-war; it's just a repeat of history as all civilizations have fallen from within.
I don't want to believe it but Occams Razor demands it or part of it is true..
Multi-millions of brand new democrats(Illegal and legal aliens, they are NOT Cubans) will do WHAT to the voting demographics?.. send them to right politically?..
ALL bogarded by the White RINO House.. with almost universal democrat support and some republicans.. Only ONE thing democrats and the White RINO House agree on is a wide open Mexican Border.. Sure he was dragged kicking a screaming to the speech last week..
Multi millions of VOTING Illegal and Legal aliens(Insurgents) will do exactly what to the voteing demographics?.. Answer that question and the "trick gambit" gets more obvious.. Coup D'Etat is what exactly it will be.. 85% of Americans(some polls) are against it.. BOTH PARTYS..
Brilliant really.. Bush has enacted(signed) legislation NO democrat could have possibly got thru a Republican Congress.. Brilliant.. I say.. maleficent but brilliant..
Bush is not crazy OR stupid it is ON PURPOSE.. unless Bush is merely a craven coward.. same result..
Probably, they won't be illegal by then, and what's the problem? They will qualify for all sorts of govt assistance.
susie
Actually, perhaps all this *talk* will get us a better bill.
susie
He would have to have a HUGH number of Republican Congresscritters that are ALSO wanting to go along with a Coup...giving DEMOCRATS power...
Now, does that make sense to you???
Do you know how many Republicans, especially in the Senate want LESS restrictions on the illegals than President Bush does??? A LOT..that is the answer....
I think your Occam's Razor is dull...
Whether that's so is another discussion altogether. The fact remains, they are taxpayer funded in the here and now.
Re your post #101 -- are you saying Americans don't care if illegals are here or not, as long as they aren't "seen"? If so, you'd think the idea of camps a la WWII would have more traction politically. Surely some talented pol (or speechwriter) could come up with a P.C. way to make it palatable.
What you don't get is that many of us feel pretty politically irrelevant now. Oh, and isn't it time you got some new talking points?
susie
Well, if your assessment is correct, what he doesn't seem to understand is that the Latino vote is not the same across the board. My legal immigrant Latino friends are at least as conservative as I am and don't appear to feel much connecction to the illegals pouring across our borders. So, he must believe he will get the illegal immigrants who will soon be American citizens (thanks to the Republican party, thank you) as republican voters (which I very much doubt). I can't see how much sense THAT makes, since the demographic would appear to be a democrat voting base.
susie
No, it's not. Upholding and maintaining poor policy decisions by pretending that they are good idea as long as they only accommodate American citizens is a delusional approach to the issue. Americans are quickly learning -- albeit in an indirect, roundabout way -- that deluding themselves into believing they can live beyond their means in perpetuity is going to come with some serious costs.
An excellent point. Thank you.
susie
Rush was eloquent about this today.
An excellent point. Thank you.
susie
If there ever was an excellent tagline, that is it!
susie
There is spending the feds are SUPPOSED to do, and spending they aren't. Spending on border security would come under the heading of SUPPOSED to.
susie
Actually, most wouldn't have seen it as a flip flop, but rather as an epiphany.
susie
Some believe there's a conspiracy of 2004 sign-ups (SU), seminar posters (SP), Democratic operatives (DO), paid opinion shapers (POS), and general run-of-the-mill minions of Hillary (MH) that are whipping up emotions against illegal aliens.
While I dismiss that notion, Johnnie does warrant further attention as a mole for the those opposing the rule-of-law. Imagine if there WAS a poster like him that was anti-illegal; he can't be real, can he?
You make a valid point, however things are as they are, and unless and until that is changed, it is part of the debate. Not the the sum total, but it figures in. (I happen to believe that if there were no taxpayer funded services there would be millions upon millions fewer illegal aliens here today, and most people wouldn't care much about those who were here.)
susie
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