Posted on 05/22/2006 6:06:41 AM PDT by Quilla
It has now been more than a week since the website Truthout.org reported that top White House aide Karl Rove has been indicted in the CIA leak investigation. According to the scenario described by Truthout writer Jason Leopold, prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald spent the better part of a day and night on Friday, May 12 with Rove and Roves lawyer, Robert Luskin, at the Washington offices of Patton Boggs, where Luskin is a partner. In a radio interview last week, Leopold said, there were plea negotiations going on that were ultimately rejected outright, [and] at the end of this marathon session Karl Rove was given an envelope which had the indictment in it and was told he had 24 hours to get his affairs in order.
All that happened, by Leopolds reporting, in the early morning of Saturday, May 13. But now, more than 200 hours have passed since the 24-hour deadline which Leopold says Fitzgerald gave to Rove, and there has been no public notice of Roves indictment.
During that time, Rove spokesman Mark Corallo has flatly denied Leopolds report. Fitzgerald wasnt at Patton Boggs on that Friday, Corallo says. The two sides didnt meet at all, either at Patton Boggs or anywhere else. They didnt communicate in any way. Fitzgerald did not give Rove an indictment. Fitzgerald did not notify Rove of any change in Roves status. It just didnt happen.
Yet Truthout is sticking with its story. We know that we have now three independent sources confirming that attorneys for Karl Rove were handed an indictment either late in the night of May 12 or early in the morning of May 13, Truthout editor Marc Ash wrote Sunday. We know that each source was in a position to know what they were talking about.
But how to explain the absence of an indictment? The indictment was, it turns out, a secret. We believe that the indictment which does exist against Karl Rove is sealed, wrote Ash. Rove may be turning states evidence. Indeed, some other anti-Rove commentators have also suggested that the indictment was sealed. Wayne Madsen, another Internet writer who has claimed that Rove was indicted, wrote on Saturday that, With a sealed indictment in hand, the special prosecutor could have been negotiating a plea agreement with the Rove camp during the last week.
But like other parts of the indictment scenario, the claim that charges against Rove were sealeda claim needed to keep the indictment story alive once time had passed without confirmationappears to be without foundation. The decision to seal an indictment is based on several factors, and it appears none of them are present in the Rove case. The usual and most common circumstance is the fear that the defendant, or one of the defendants if there are multiple defendants, will flee if he learns that he is wanted before he is placed in custody, says National Review Onlines Andrew McCarthy, a former federal prosecutor. The government will ask the court to seal the indictment and issue arrest warrants.
It seems safe to say that there is no such element of surprise in the CIA-leak probe. Rove has known for two years that he is under investigation. So do his colleagues in the administration. He holds a high-profile job and can be easily and quickly located. There is no reason to believe he is a flight risk. There is, in short, no apparent reason for an indictment against him to be sealed. Under such circumstances, McCarthy says, a sealed indictment would be highly unlikely.
And a sealed indictment is sealed to everyone, includingespeciallythe person who is indicted. But under the Truthout scenario, Fitzgerald handed Rove an indictment and, apparently, told Rove to keep it hush-hush. That would be, to say the least, a highly unusual way of doing things. If Rove were actually indicted, he, like anyone else, would be free to speak in public about itto claim, for example, that he is innocent and that he will fight the charges.
Its just the latest in a series of improbable scenarios about the CIA-leak case that have flown around the Internet. To take another example, last week Madsen reported that Attorney General Alberto Gonzales went to the U.S. courthouse on Friday, May 12, where he met with the grand jury and was told about the Rove indictment. An announcement of the indictment, Madsen reported, was set for Friday, May 19.
But that scenario didnt work out, either. May 19 came and went, with no indictment. And Justice Department officials told NRO that Gonzales did not go to the courthouse on Friday, May 12. In addition, the attorney general has recused himself from the case and cannot take part in any aspect of it. Not only am I recused from making decisions or participating in decisions regarding this investigation, I am recused from receiving information about the investigation, Gonzales said last October. I do not receive briefings. I do not receive any information about this particular case.
Another theory shot down. But for the moment, it appears that nothing will stop the sort of viral speculation that is going on about the CIA-leak case. Even if Rove were indictedand no one outside Fitzgeralds office can say with any confidence whether or not that will happeneverything that has been reported in this latest round of theorizing would still be wrong. And if in the end Rove is not indicted, there will undoubtedly be confidently worded reports that he was saved only by some sort of corrupt dealing. What this latest round of Internet theorizing shows is that there are people who have a deep emotional investment in the belief that Rove is a criminal, and that those people will suspend their critical faculties to accept almost any scenario that supports their belief. Nothing that happensor doesnt happenwill change that.
These people are dillusional, but it's not news.
But how to explain the absence of an indictment? The indictment was, it turns out, a secret. We believe that the indictment which does exist against Karl Rove is sealed, wrote Ash. Rove may be turning states evidence.
I realize this is a different "Ash" being mentioned here, but maybe it's time to bring back the ASH ALERTS?! Where is Don Morgan when we need him?
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If you try to engage Ash (AshRedux, Ashlives, Ashisalive, Ashisaliar, ect) in debate, you will waste enormous bandwith and get nowhere. When he cannot refute you through misdirection or other obfuscation, he will hide from you. You will find yourself stuck like the Tar Baby in stories of old.
He has been banned many times.
He will, when ignored, strike out. He has claimed to have sent me money and claimed to know me and my wife!
He has shown contempt for the owner of this forum by returning under new names time and again, he is, IMHO, a disruptor and a distractor.
The BEST policy (based on much advice, that I unfortunately ignored one week) is to act as if he IS NOT HERE.
Even when he responds, he is here as an unwanted - in fact banned - intruder.
From: DonMorgan
Oh, they WANT to believe, they so DESPERATELY want to believe.
If only wishing would make it so. In my universe, these fools would all go POOF!
Sorry, reality keeps intruding.
I want to know why that grand jury is still seated. They were charged with finding out who leaked the name of a covert CIA agent. They don't seem to be doing anything even close to that, probably because they can't find out who the covert agent is.
These clowns don't know what they're up against.
Do they really think that a genius behind the Hurricane Control Machine ® would have any trouble with a mere indictment?
How did Hillary escape indictment?
Please, guys. I have a friend whose real name is Ashe. I won't give out his email address here, but a few years back he received dozens of hate e-mails, including nasty threats. He had no connection with the person you were targeting and had never even heard of him. This was a bewildering and even scary experience for him.
Not to mention "Impeachment" banquets hosted weekly by head moonbat, Congressman John Conyers. ;-)
I think he is warming up the machine. How else do you explain our weird weather, form 80s down to 30 for a couple of days and then back up to 80.
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