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To: suijuris; ohioWfan
In terms of where you really are on the conservative scale perhaps you could give us your position on Ohio Senators DeWine and Voinovich. That will tell me all I need to know.

I will ask you a two question that should occur to anyone with even a modicum of historical knowledge. Do you prefer Sherrod Brown over Dewine? Do you prefer Eric D. Fingerhut over George Voinovich? Fingerhut wanted to increase taxes and implement much more stringent anti pollution laws. His proposals would have doubled or tripled electricity and gasoline costs from their present level. If you like $7.00 gasoline you would have loved Fingerhut. Sherrod strongly believes a Fairness doctrine is needed to bring the right wing under control.

Your answer to that is don't support people whith whose views you disagree. Your real answer is you support people whose views you disagree with even more than Dewine and Voinvich.

The Question we are really trying to resolve is how do we get our elected officials to be more conservative.

You take the position of a spoiled little kid. You want to go to the mall and play video games. Mom and Dad say no. So you respond by bursting into tears, screaming invective and running to your room and locking the door.

Has that strategy ever worked for any kid except the ones who have dysfunctional parents?

What would a bit brighter kid do. He would respond to the parental refusal by cleaning his room to spotless condition. On top of that he would mow the lawn and wash Mom and Dad's cars. If it were a girl child she might do the laundry and ironing and put all the dishes away. Then the child would ask again if it is ok to go to the mall to play video games? What are the odds MOM and DAD say NO????

Dealing with politicians is much the same. If you give the politician what he wants (which is always enough votes to win the election) that politic an will grant every one of your wishes that he possibly can.

That politician will turn down people who do a lot less for him to do the will of those who put him in office.

What you propose to do makes about as much sense as refusing to pay attention in class as a means of getting even with your teacher.

Such an act will not cause the teacher to do what you want ... it will at best get you massive detention.

You need to read the book titled, "How to Win Friends and Influence People." You have been reading that book titled "How to Lose Friends and Tick People Off."

Like the kid that screams at his parents and runs to his room, your strategy never gets you what you want. It does allow you to feel sorry for your self.

Mean while the bright kid is playing video games at the mall and telling friends how easy it is to manipulate parents.

227 posted on 05/21/2006 11:46:24 AM PDT by Common Tator
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To: Common Tator
Gee Common, thanks for the old lesser of two evils speech, however, I don't recall stating I preferred the communists over the socialist. Bottom line is we DO NOT have a real choice in Ohio (with the exception of Blackwell for Governor) and its been that way for more than a generation. But in your mind we who see the arguments clearly and choose to stand on principle should just suck it up and bend over.

My question to ohioW was merely to find out where she really stands. ohio W's support of DeWine and Voinovich would be quite telling to me, as those two are the epitome of what is wrong with the GOP.

Then again, your attempt to excoriate me is quite telling of your own inclination to compromise on such a serious issue. This is not some high school football game where we come back next week and try it again. The immigration problem involves our national security, our sovereignty and culture, and the very political and economic well being of the United States.

sui

245 posted on 05/21/2006 12:42:32 PM PDT by suijuris
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