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I made no such post. However, dyed in the wool Republicans have the burden of persuasion, not the other way around.

The party supporters need the "dissenters" to get out and vote Republican in November, correct? Therefore, they have something to lose should the conservatives stay home or vote third party. (I know that someone will say "but if the Demoncrats get in office, we ALL lose" or somesuch, but let's ignore that. That's not the point I am trying to make, therefore it is irrelevant to this argument).

Folks not currently supporting the party have nothing to lose if they fail to convince the party supporters; indeed, they are not trying to be persuasive at all. They are merely stating their dissatisfaction with the current administration, NOT trying to get people to not vote Republican (for the most part, and ESPECIALLY in this thread).

And whether you take my comments seriously is of no consequence to me. You and I have already danced here on FR and I don't believe we have anything to learn from one another.

Sorry.

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You have a point, but it seems to me that the burden of persuading the GOP also falls on the dissenters. If you guys can't persuade people that you are willing to move a little in order to get some of what you want, you will be marginalized.

If all of the perfect conservatives stay home, the message you send to the GOP is that you can't be counted on, and in the next election they will pay even less attention to you. That's how politicians work.

I don't much care whether you have anything to say to me or not. I am simply pointing out that the name calling on both sides is preventing people from moving towards a solution. Each side feels that moving from his position endangers his reelection. That sort of guarantees that nothing will get accomplished in Congress.

I would prefer border security before discussing guest workers, but I understand the reasoning behind the President's position.

At any rate, I have made my point. I'm going to be gone for a couple of hours, so if you reply I will be delayed in answering.