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Senate Immigration Bill Would Allow 100 Million New Legal Immigrants over the Next Twenty Years
Heritage Foundation ^ | May 15, 2006 | Robert Rector

Posted on 05/20/2006 10:59:16 AM PDT by strategofr

Statement on Immigration Research

(Update: On Tuesday, May 16, the Senate passed Sen. Jeff Bingaman's (D-NM) amendment to S. 2611 that significantly reduced the number of legal immigrants who could enter under the bill's "guest worker" program. As a result of this change, our estimate of the number of legal immigrants who would enter the country or would gain legal status under S. 2611 falls from 103 million to around 66 million over the next 20 years.)

If enacted, the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act (CIRA, S.2611) would be the most dramatic change in immigration law in 80 years, allowing an estimated 103 million persons to legally immigrate to the U.S. over the next 20 years—fully one-third of the current population of the United States.

Much attention has been given to the fact that the bill grants amnesty to some 10 million illegal immigrants. Little or no attention has been given to the fact that the bill would quintuple the rate of legal immigration into the United States, raising, over time, the inflow of legal immigrants from around one million per year to over five million per year. The impact of this increase in legal immigration dwarfs the magnitude of the amnesty provisions.

In contrast to the 103 million immigrants permitted under CIRA, current law allows 19 million legal immigrants over the next twenty years. Relative to current law, then, CIRA would add an extra 84 million legal immigrants to the nation’s population.

The figure of 103 million legal immigrants is a reasonable estimate of the actual immigration inflow under the bill and not the maximum number that would be legally permitted to enter. The maximum number that could legally enter would be almost 200 million over twenty years—over 180 million more legal immigrants than current law permits.

Immigration Status

To understand the provisions of CIRA, largely based on a compromise by Senators Chuck Hagel (R–Nebraska) and Mel Martinez (R–Florida), it is useful to distinguish between the three legal statuses that a legal immigrant might hold:

1. Temporary Status: Persons in this category enter the U.S. temporarily and are required to leave after a period of time.

2. Near-Permanent, Convertible Status: Persons in this category enter the U.S. and are given the opportunity to “adjust” or convert to legal permanent residence after a few years.

3. Legal Permanent Residence (LPR): Persons in this category have the right to remain in the United States for their entire lives. After five years, they have the right to naturalize and become citizens. As naturalized citizens, they have the constitutional rights to vote and to receive any government benefits given to native-born citizens.

A key feature of CIRA is that most immigrants identified as “temporary” are, in fact, given convertible status with a virtually unrestricted opportunity to become legal permanent residents and then citizens.

Another important feature of both CIRA and existing immigration law is that immigrants in convertible or LPR status have the right to bring spouses and minor children into the country. Spouses and dependent children will be granted permanent residence along with the primary immigrant and may also become citizens. In addition, after naturalizing, an immigrant has the right to bring his parents into the U.S. as permanent residents with the opportunity for citizenship. There are no numeric limits on the number of spouses, dependent children, and parents of naturalized citizens that may be brought into the country. Additionally, the siblings and adult children (along with their families) of naturalized citizens and the adult children (and their families) of legal permanent residents are given preference in future admission but are subject to numeric caps.

Key Provisions of CIRA

Four key provisions of CIRA would result in an explosive increase in legal immigration.

Amnesty for Current Illegal Immigrants: CIRA offers amnesty and citizenship to 85 percent of the nation’s current 11.9 million illegal immigrants. Under the plan, illegal immigrants who have been in the U.S. for five years or more (60 percent of illegals) would be granted immediate amnesty. Illegal immigrants who have been in the country between two and five years (25 percent of illegals) could travel to one of 16 “ports of entry,” where they would receive amnesty and lawful work permits.[1] In total, the bill would grant amnesty to 85 percent of the current illegal immigrant population, or some 10 million individuals.

After receiving amnesty, illegal immigrants would spend six years in a provisional status before attaining LPR status. After five years in LPR status, they would have the opportunity to become naturalized citizens and vote in U.S. elections. As well, the spouses and dependent children of current illegal immigrants would have the right to enter the U.S. and become citizens.[2] There would be no numeric limit on the number of illegal immigrants, spouses, and dependents receiving LPR status; under the amnesty provision, such individuals would not be counted against any other cap or limit in immigration law.[3]

The New “Temporary Guest Worker” Program: CIRA creates an entirely new “temporary guest worker” (H-2C) program. There is nothing temporary about this program; nearly all “guest workers” would have the right to become permanent residents and then citizens.

Foreign workers could enter the U.S. as guest workers if they have a job offer from a U.S. employer. In practical terms, U.S. companies would recruit foreign workers to enter the guest worker program and immigrate to the U.S. Most likely, intermediate employment firms would specialize in recruiting foreign labor for U.S. employers.

Guest workers would be allowed to remain in the U.S. for six years.[4] However, in the fourth year, the guest worker could ask for LPR status and would receive it if he has learned English or is enrolled in an English class.[5] There are no numeric limits on the number of guest workers who could receive LPR status. Upon receiving LPR status, the guest worker could remain in the country permanently. He could become a U.S. citizen and vote in U.S. elections after just five more years.

The spouses and minor children of guest workers would also be permitted to immigrate to the U.S.[6] When guest workers petition for LPR status, their spouses and children would receive it as well. Five years after obtaining LPR status, these spouses could become naturalized citizens. The bill sets no limit on the number of spouses and children who could immigrate under the guest worker program. After workers and their spouses have obtained citizenship, they would be able to bring in their parents as legal permanent residents.

The bill does provide numeric limits on the number of guest workers who can enter the country each year, but the number starts high and then grows exponentially. In the first year, 325,000 H-2C visas would be given out, but if employer demand for guest workers is high, that number could be boosted by an extra 65,000 in the next year. If employer demand for H-2C workers continues to be high, the number of H-2C visas could be raised by up to 20 percent in each subsequent year.

The 20 percent exponential escalator provision allows the number of H-2C immigrants to climb steeply in future years. If the H-2C cap were increased by 20 percent each year, within twenty years the annual inflow of workers would reach 12 million. At this 20 percent growth rate, a total of 70 million guest workers would enter the U.S. over the next two decades and none would be required to leave. While it is unlikely that so many workers would enter, the program does have the potential to bring ten of millions of immigrants to the U.S.

The “guest worker” program, then, is an open door program, based on the demands of U.S. business, that would allow an almost unlimited number of workers and dependents to enter the U.S. from anywhere in world and become citizens. It is essentially an “open border” provision.

Additional Permanent Visas for Siblings, Adult Children, and their Families: The permanent entry of non-immediate relatives—such as brothers, sisters, and adult children—is currently subject to a cap of 480,000 per year minus the number of immediate relatives (the parents, spouses, and minor children of U.S. citizens) admitted in the prior year. CIRA eliminates the deduction for immediate relatives from the cap.[7] This effectively increases the number of non-immediate relatives who could attain LPR status by 254,000 per year.

Additional Permanent Employment Visas: The U.S. currently issues around 140,000 employment-based visas each year. Under CIRA, the U.S. would issue 450,000 employment-based green cards per year between 2007 and 2016.[8] After 2016, the number would fall to 290,000 per year.[9] Under current law, LPR visas going to the spouses and children of workers with employment-based visas are counted against the cap. Under CIRA, these spouses and children would be removed from the cap and given legal permanent residence without numeric limits.[10] Historically, 1.2 dependent relatives have entered the U.S. for each worker under employment-based immigration programs.[11] This means that some 990,000 persons per year would be granted LPR status until 2016 and, after that, 638,000 per year.

Estimating Future Immigration Under CIRA

Most provisions of CIRA are straightforward; in many categories, the number of future immigrants allowed is either directly stated or can be easily calculated from the law’s provisions. In some areas, however, the law’s impact is uncertain. To estimate future legal immigration under the bill, three assumptions have been used in this paper:

* Spouses and children of workers: Dependent spouses and children represent a major component of current immigration. In the current employment-based visa program, 1.2 dependents enter for each incoming worker.[12] This paper assumes this ratio will continue in the employment-based program and will also apply to those entering under the new guest worker program. This is a conservative assumption: guest workers are likely to have lower education levels and thus to have larger families. Finally, many current illegal immigrants who would receive amnesty under the bill already have families in the U.S.; therefore the ratio of incoming spouses and children to amnesty recipients is assumed to be only 0.6, or half the ratio of the employment-based program.

* Parents of naturalized citizens: Parents of naturalized citizens currently make up eight percent of all new legal immigrants. This paper assumes that half of all adult immigrants will naturalize after five years of LPR status and that 30 percent of the parents of these naturalized citizens will immigrate in the three years after their children’s naturalization.

* Growth in the guest worker program: The number of immigrants in the guest worker program will be driven by employer demand. The bill allows the number of H-2C visas to increase by 20 percent per year; this level of growth would result in an extraordinary 60 million guest workers in the U.S. over the next twenty years. This paper assumes that the number of immigrants in the guest worker program would increase at a more moderate rate of 10 percent per year. Alternative estimates for 20 percent growth and zero growth in the program are also presented.[13]

A Flood of Legal Immigrants

Under CIRA, immigrants could enter the country or attain lawful status within the country through eight channels. In each channel, immigrants would be granted permanent residence and the right to become citizens. The first channel represents immigrants who would have entered under current law; the second channel represents illegal immigrants who are currently in the country and would be given legal permanent residence under the bill. The other six channels represent new inflows of legal immigrants that would occur as a result of the bill. The total number of new legal immigrants over a twenty year period would be as follows: (See Charts 1 and 2.)

1. Visas under current law: Roughly 950,000 persons receive permanent residence visas under current law each year. Over 20 years, the inflow of immigrants through this channel would be 19 million. This represents the status quo under existing law.

2. Amnesty: The bill would grant amnesty to roughly 10 million illegal immigrants. These individuals are currently living in the U.S.; amnesty would allow them to remain legally and to become U.S. citizens.

3. Expanded family chain migration: The number of family-sponsored visas for secondary family members, such as adult brothers and sisters, is currently limited to 480,000 per year minus the number of visas given to immediate family members (spouses, minor children, and parents of U.S. citizens). The bill changes the law so that the total quota on secondary family members would be 480,000 without deductions for immediate family members. The net increase in the number of immigrants under this provision would be around 254,000 per year, or 5.1 million over 20 years.[14]

4. Employment-based green cards: The bill would increase the number of employment-based visas from 140,000 to 450,000 per year. For the first time, it would also exempt the spouses and children of workers from the cap. Total annual immigration under this provision is likely to be 450,000 workers plus 540,000 family members annually. The net increase above current law over 20 years would be around 13.5 million persons.[15]

5. The guest worker (H-2C) program: CIRA would allow 325,000 persons to participate in the guest worker program in the first year. This number could rise by 65,000 in the next year and then by 20 percent per year. Assuming 10 percent annual growth in the annual number of guest workers entering the country (well below the bill’s maximum), the total inflow of workers under this program would be 20 million over 20 years.

6. Spouses and children of guest workers: Guest workers could bring their spouses and children to the U.S. as permanent residents; the added number of entrants would be 24 million over 20 years.

7. Spouses and children of illegal immigrants given amnesty: Illegal immigrants who received amnesty could bring their spouses and children into the U.S. as legal permanent residents with the opportunity for full citizenship. The number of spouses and children who would enter the U.S. as a result of amnesty would be at least six million.

8. Parents of naturalized citizens. The bill would substantially increase the number of naturalized citizens. Naturalized citizens would have an unlimited right to bring their parents into the U.S. as legal permanent residents. Over twenty years, the number of parents who would enter the U.S. as permanent legal residents as a result of CIRA would be around five million.

Overall, the bill would allow some 103 million persons to legally immigrate over the next twenty years. This is roughly one-third of the current population of the United States. All of these new entrants would be permanent residents and would have the right to become citizens. This would be a 84 million person net increase over current law.

Legal Flow Compared to Illegal Immigration

All of the immigration discussed to this point would be legal immigration. If illegal immigration continued after enactment of S.2611, the inflow of immigrants would be even greater. Although illegal immigration is considered a major problem, the proposed legal immigration under CIRA would dwarf it numerically. The net inflow of illegal immigrants into the U.S. population is around 700,000 per year.[16] Legal immigration under CIRA would exceed five million per year, seven times the rate of the current illegal immigration flow. Annual legal and illegal immigration together now equals about 1.7 million; future legal immigration alone under CIRA would be three times this amount.

Range of Estimates

The figure of 103 million new legal immigrants is based on the assumption that immigration under the guest worker program would grow at 10 percent per year. If guest-worker immigration grows at the maximum rate permitted by the bill, 20 percent per year, the total number of new immigrants coming to the U.S. over the next twenty years would be 193 million. On the other hand, if immigration under the H-2C program did not increase at all for two decades but remained fixed at the initial level of 325,000 per year, total legal immigration under CIRA would be 72 million over twenty years, or more than three times the level that would occur under current law. (See Chart 3.)

The tables in the Appendix show annual inflows of total legal immigrants in each of the eight channels mentioned above over the next twenty years. The tables show the estimated yearly rate of immigration under three scenarios for the H-2C program: zero growth, ten percent growth, and twenty percent growth.

Dwarfing the Great Migration

Between 1870 and 1920, the U.S. experienced a massive flow of immigration known as the “great migration”. During this period, foreign born persons hovered between 13 and 15 percent of the population.[17]In 1924, Congress passed major legislation greatly reducing future immigration. By 1970, foreign born persons had fallen to 5 percent of the population.

In the last three decades, immigration has increased sharply. The foreign born now comprise around 12 percent of the population, approaching the levels of the early 1900’s. However, if CIRA were enacted, and 100 million new immigrants entered the country over the next twenty years, foreign born persons would rise to over one quarter of the U.S. population.[18] There is no precedent for that level of immigration at any time in U.S. history.

Conclusion

If enacted, CIRA would be the most dramatic change in immigration law in 80 years. In its overall impact on the nation, the bill would rival other historic milestones, such as the creation of Social Security or Medicare.

The bill would give amnesty to 10 million illegal immigrants and quintuple the rate of legal immigration into the U.S. Under the bill, the annual inflow of immigrants with the option of becoming legal permanent residents would rise from the current level of one million per year to more than five million per year. Within a few years, the annual inflow of new immigrants would exceed one percent of the current U.S. population. This would be the highest immigration rate in U.S. history.

Within 20 years, some 103 million new immigrants would enter the U.S. This number is about one-third of the current U.S. population. All of these immigrants would be permanent residents with the right to become citizens and vote in U.S. elections. CIRA would transform the United States socially, economically, and politically. Within two decades, the character of the nation would differ dramatically from what exists today.

Robert Rector is Senior Research Fellow in Domestic Policy Studies at The Heritage Foundation.

Appendix and Tables

[1] S.2611, Section 601.

[2] S.2611 under Section 601, section 245B(a)(2).

[3] S.2611, under Section 601, section 245B (a)(3).

[4] S.2611, Section 403 (f)(1).

[5] S.2611 Section 408 (n)(1)(B).

[6] See S.6211, Section 403 (m)(1). Some might argue that the number of guest workers who would be permitted to attain LPR status would be subject to the overall caps on employment-based permanent visas elsewhere in law. But Section 408(h) of the bill, which deals with the right of guest workers to convert to LPR status, clearly states that “employment-based immigrant visas shall be made available to an alien having nonimmigrant status described in section 101(a)(15)(H)(ii)(c) [the H-2C program] upon the filing of a petition for such a visa.” In other word, LPR status shall be granted to any guest worker upon his filing of petition; there is no mention of any numeric cap or other mechanism limits the number of such status adjustments. If the bill’s authors intend to limit the opportunity of guest workers to obtain legal permanent residence with a numeric cap, then the bill should explicitly state that fact.

[7] S.2611 Section 501 (a)

[8] S.2611 Section 501(b)

[9] S.2611, Section 501(b)

[10] S.2611, Section 501(b)

[11] Ruth Ellen Wasem, “U.S. Immigration Policy on Permanent Admissions,” CRS Report for Congress, Congressional Research Service, Library of Congress, May 12, 2006, p. 18.

[12] Ibid.

[13] Several factors have not been included in the estimates. The paper ignores future levels of illegal immigration. The paper assumes that there are some 12 million illegal immigrants in the U.S.; this widely used figure rests on the assumption that nearly all illegal immigrants are counted in annual Census surveys. In fact, the number of illegal immigrants in the U.S. may be much larger; this would mean that the number of immigrants eligible for amnesty would also be higher. The paper also assumes that there will be no successful fraud in applications for amnesty; in fact, the standards for proving prior residence and employment in the U.S. are very flimsy. Fraud may be prevalent, further boosting amnesty numbers. Finally, there is no attempt to estimate return to native countries or reverse migration by new immigrants. In effect, the paper assumes that returns will be matched by a corresponding increase in new entrants under the H-2C program.

[14] This number is the net increase in immigration due to the legislation and does not include the secondary family members who would have immigrated under current law.

[15] This number is the net increase in employment-based immigration and does not include persons who would have immigrated under current law.

[16] Jeffrey Passel Unauthorized Migrants: Numbers and Characteristics, Pew Hispanic Center, Washington, D.C, June 14, 2005, p.6.

[17]National Research Council, The New Americans: Economic, Demographic and Fiscal Effects of Immigration, National Academy Press, Washington, D.C. 1997, p. 35

[18] Currently there are around 35.7 million foreign-born persons in the U.S. (Passel, op.cit., p.3). With a new influx of 103 million immigrants, the total foreign-born population would reach around 124 million (adjusting for deaths in the interim.) Given the massive projected immigration, the population of the U.S. would have swollen to around 449 million by 2027. This would be up from a base projection of around 355 million. (U.S. Census Bureau, 2004, “U.S. Interim Projections by Age, Sex, Race and Hispanic Origin,” at http.://www.census.gov/ipc/www/usinterimproj/. The foreign born would comprise around 27 percent of the total population.

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To: TommyDale

That is the whole point - to turn the US into yet another 3rd world crap-hole.

And we are LETTING it happen by not holding our "leaders" to the fire.

I fear that, in the next decade, we will see either an exercise in the real reason for the 2nd Amendment, or will be already subjugated and not have firearms in the first place...


61 posted on 05/20/2006 1:34:21 PM PDT by TheBattman (Islam (and liberalism)- the cult of Satan and a Cancer on Society)
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To: BW2221

Build the fence first! Couldn't agree more.


62 posted on 05/20/2006 1:38:59 PM PDT by nj26 (Border Security=Homeland Security... Put Our Military on the Border! (Proud2BNRA))
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To: calex59; All
So many immigration threads, so little time....Well, I have been lurking on the fora now for weeks just trying to weigh all of the arguments for and against getting serious about enforcing immigration law. I had formed my conclusions on this critical topic years ago; but, being fairly new to FR, I thought that I had best sample the load of opinion here before tossing my two cents into the pile.

At any rate, I remain convinced that effective physical barriers and strictly enforced laws to deal swiftly and firmly with illegal aliens, and those who aid/abet them, are essential. As expensive and difficult as this approach may be, failure to act now will lead to even more costly actions- and I am not ruling out war with Mexico.

I see the need to honor the rule of law as paramount. Allowing millions of "illegals" to violate our borders is merely the prelude to allowing lawbreakers of any citizenship category to violate my personal property fences, front/back doors etc.. Though the cost of strict border enforcement may be onerous and economically difficult to bear, the cost of ignoring the problem that has gone without corrective action too long will be disastrous.

I will continue to support folks like Sen. Jeff Sessions and Sheriff Joe Arpaio; and recognizing the need to keep an eye on the big political picture, I will be patient with President Bush. But I intend to continue to give my full support to those politicians and officials who recognize the absolute necessity to get serious, and right now.
63 posted on 05/20/2006 1:44:29 PM PDT by PerConPat (A politician is an animal which can sit on a fence and yet keep both ears to the ground.-- Mencken)
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To: sinkspur

You want evidence of what? Of human nature? Do you sincerely believe that few illegal aliens are coming in for the generosity of the welfare state? Or that few are coming in for the great financial incentives involved in the drug trade? Or that terrorists haven't figured out that our porous borders are ripe for exploitation?

You're asking for evidence for these things, when you don't seem to require evidence to believe that such large numbers would cross the border if the U. S. economy doesn't grow at some particular percentage. And you want to believe that, regardless of any consideration of the relative health of the U. S. economy versus the Mexican economy.

They will come as long as they can displace American workers from their jobs, until the economy collapses.

But you demand more evidence than you're prepared to provide for your own claims. So, no soup for you.


64 posted on 05/20/2006 1:48:03 PM PDT by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: savedbygrace
They will come as long as they can displace American workers from their jobs, until the economy collapses.

Why is the unemployment rate under 5%? As I noted above, this is not a zero sum game. There are arguments to be made against such a large influx so fast, and about who makes up that influx (should it be titled a bit to more upscale immigrants?), but a collapsing economy is not one of them. It just isn't. To suggest otherwise, strikes me as more of a symptom of hysteria, than a serious attempt to wrestle with issues that have a real nexus to remotely reasonable assumptions

65 posted on 05/20/2006 2:02:56 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Diddle E. Squat

The GOP is a very different than the Dims on one point - the Dims are not trying to insure their electoral defeat in 15 years due to a massive, Dim-inspired demographic shift. That is a purely Republican brand of idiocy. I honestly believe the Dim leadership just has to be laughing their a$$es off behind closed doors at the prospect of guaranteed, California-style control in the 2020 elections.


66 posted on 05/20/2006 2:04:45 PM PDT by Liberty Tree Surgeon (Mow your own lawn!)
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To: FairOpinion
With the Social Security and Medicare trust funds going bankrupt, how will we manage with so few workers per retiree?

That's the bottom line in a nutshell. Propping up the welfare state--enabling it to keep growing and growing indefinitely--is what this is all about. Big Government Forever.

67 posted on 05/20/2006 2:05:11 PM PDT by Sandy
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To: Sandy

I suspect a substantial percentage on this site, would be consigned to poverty and illness in their old age, without social security and medicare payments.


68 posted on 05/20/2006 2:08:04 PM PDT by Torie
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To: sinkspur

sink,

Do you have a take on how this bill, whether adding 100 million or 50 million, will impact the demographic side of the electoral picture? I can't see how this can do anything but add huge #'s of voters for the Left, while antagonizing traditional Right-leaning voters to seek third parties. Bush may have gotten 40% of the Hispanic vote in Texas, but that is in a State with a lot of 3rd and 4th generation folks who are as patriotic a set of Americans as the next group. The newly minted voters can't be more Right-leaning than this lot, so we'd be lucky to add 1 R for every 2 or 3 D's.

This is a roadmap for disaster. Where am I wrong?


69 posted on 05/20/2006 2:09:43 PM PDT by Liberty Tree Surgeon (Mow your own lawn!)
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To: Arizona Carolyn
What we'll be is a clone of Mexico with two classes: the elite ruling class and the serfs.

But just think you'll be able to rent out your garage to two families, and with the help of a little cardboard, maybe three.

70 posted on 05/20/2006 2:12:28 PM PDT by org.whodat (Never let the facts get in the way of a good assumption.)
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To: Diddle E. Squat
370 or 700 miles obviously isn't enough, but it starts to close the gap and makes it easier to come back and argue for closer off the remaining gap.

If you really think that fence is going to be built I've got some bridge stock I'd like to sell you.

71 posted on 05/20/2006 2:16:05 PM PDT by org.whodat (Never let the facts get in the way of a good assumption.)
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To: savedbygrace

IOW, you pulled your former scenario out of your own head, and there is no evidence for it. That's what I thought.


72 posted on 05/20/2006 2:18:24 PM PDT by sinkspur ( Don Cheech. Vito Corleone would like to meet you......Vito Corleone.....)
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To: Liberty Tree Surgeon
Here is the nationwide exit poll result which I copied from CNN:


			        Bush	Kerry
White (77%)			58%	41%
African-American (11%)		11%	88%
Latino (8%)			44%	53%
Asian (2%)			44%	56%
Other (2%)			40%	54%

73 posted on 05/20/2006 2:22:03 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Torie
I suspect a substantial percentage on this site, would be consigned to poverty and illness in their old age, without social security and medicare payments.

Sad what we've become. I'll never understand what makes people think they have a right to live off the backs of others.

74 posted on 05/20/2006 2:22:34 PM PDT by Sandy
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To: Torie

Tag.


75 posted on 05/20/2006 2:22:57 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

Hi Luis. What's shakin'? :)


76 posted on 05/20/2006 2:23:56 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Diddle E. Squat

"IN either case, his point was that the Republicans aren't doing anything for us, they're no better than the Rat party."


"Which is utter nonsense. There are a hell of a lot more issues facing us than illegal immigration."

Yes.
That statement is utter nonsense.

"And regarding Il.Im., without GOP control of the house or senate there wouldn't be any fence proposal approved. 370 or 700 miles obviously isn't enough, but it starts to close the gap and makes it easier to come back and argue for closer off the remaining gap..."

True, but it is NOT in law yet... and Bush very UNHELPFULLY has called for 'comprehensive' immigration reform...
which is NOT helfpul. The Senate bill is awful:

This legalization, aka amnesty-that-dare-not-admit-what-it-is, is bad public policy. It burdens taxpayers with billions in costs and liabilities; it is an insult to legal immigrants who have played by the rules; it will fail to stem illegal immigration flows but instead, like the failed 1986 amnesty, will make it worse. It is a surrender, not a solution.

Bad policy like that is never good politics, and the GOP RINO wing's pursuit of legalization/amnesty is also political suicide: It splits the GOP down the middle; it delivers a Democrat majority for the next generation made up of the 10 million illegal aliens, low-wage earning welfare and EITC eligible urban voters, that will be citizens in 10 years. Just as the 1986 amnesty made California a solid Democrat state in the mid 1990s, amnesty now means a Democrat majority in the country by 2016.

Anyone who stands up and says "it must include legalization/amnesty or nothing at all" is a real opponent of immigration law reform. We can only clean up this mess gradually, but NOT repeating the amnesty/legalization mistake is the first and most important rule to follow in whatever legislation we craft.

We got into this mess because of a failed amnesty in 1986 and 20 years of non-enforcement of immigration law. The only way out of this hole, in terms of both politics and policy, is a gradual, step-at-a-time approach to recover to a position of lawful immigration.

A TRUE compromise would NOT include amnesty/legalization at all, but would secure the border, get employment verification working 100%, and create enough legal avenues for employment-sponsored immigration so we can wean employers off illegal immigrant labor.

Let that be the 'compromise' from the House and Senate - leaving out the third rail of legalizing millions of illegal immigrants - and put it up for a vote in both houses. The only political victory for the GOP can be if we are united, and most conservative Republicans will never support a massive amnesty. Never. So drop it. Quit trying to 'compromise' around a Kennedy bill that gets a 'yes' vote from Schumer and "no" votes from 40 GOP Senators, and get serious about writing legislation that conservatives can rally around.

A dem congress can filibuster judges until they retake the WH and then appoint USSC justices who will simply declare walls, enforcement, and scaling back of Il.Im. 'rights' to be unconstitutional.

To claim that the GOP is no different from the Dems is completely ridiculous, even when they do disappoint us.

Bottom line: IF WE GET A MCCAIN-KENNEDY LIKE BILL ON IMMIGRATION (aka legalization/amnesty in it) DONT BE SURPRISED IF CONSERVATIVES STAY HOME IN NOVEMBER. IT WONT MATTER WHAT WE DO ANYWAY, WE WILL LOSE CONTROL OF THE COUTNRY SOONER OR LATER.


77 posted on 05/20/2006 2:27:12 PM PDT by WOSG (Do your duty, be a patriot, support our Troops - VOTE!)
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To: strategofr; evad; TheCrusader

Last night Rector was on Lou Dobbs' program and (in the great Heritage tradition) refuted point-by-point the fatuous objections to his research, which was based on a rigorous and scientific analysis of the data.

BUT! Here's something every FReeper should be aware of: the amendment (S3985) to the bill (S2611) would have PREVENTED ANYONE WHO USED FRAUDULENT ID from getting Social Security benefits. Common sense, right?

Guess what? It was defeated by ONE vote! My point is that many RINOs who have greater political ambitions have been exposed for the frauds they are!

To see a full list of the RINOs who betrayed us and the nation by voting to table (kill!) S3985 go to cfif.org

They think we're stupid. But let's remind them that we will NOT forget in '06 or '08!

It's so mind-boggling it can't even be called insane! Now we ACCEPT FRAUD - as a way of getting Social Security!

I don't even know what adjective to use to do justice this abomination. Perhaps we should just assume that some senators are criminal accomplices -- but all words fail! Look at the RINO club in all its treacherous splendor -- Lindsay Graham, Hagel, Martinez, etc., etc.


78 posted on 05/20/2006 2:30:01 PM PDT by T.L.Sink (stopew)
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To: PerConPat

I agree with your views. Thanks for the comment.


79 posted on 05/20/2006 2:31:11 PM PDT by calex59 (No country can survive multiculturalism. Dual cultures don't mix, history has taught us that!)
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To: Liberty Tree Surgeon
the Dim leadership just has to be laughing their a$$es off behind closed doors at the prospect of guaranteed, California-style control in the 2020 elections.

I've been calling the Senate monstrosity the "Migration Explosion Act of 2006", perhaps "Permanent Democrat Structural Majority Act" fits as well.

80 posted on 05/20/2006 2:31:17 PM PDT by RodgerD (Reject the Migration Explosion Act of 2006. No to 100 million new aliens.)
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