[newzjunkey]

For those that want it raised to 17 or18 how in the heck are these kids going to get to all these after school events, sports, jobs, or in fact go on dates and mess around.

You're kidding right? The same way they did before they could drive: bikes, public transit, adult drivers or walking.

There are folks who get through life without driving.

[catholicfreeper]

Perhaps, but there isn't but public transport where I am at. Plus I don't think I would like the idea of a big ole pulpwood truck hitting my daughter on her bike as she is hoofing it 20 miles to go to the movies. My parents starting driving and running the roads at 13 and 14 for goodness sake. Times have changed since 1920.