'As I said I have no problems with Christianity or American values. When your Evangelical fascist brand of Christianity (which IMO is not the real face of majority Christianity) are on our turf (whether for the right or the wrong reasons) I don't require your license to voice my opinion. '
Oh boy.. you really dont have a CLUE about US politics, it is not surprising as you are NOT a American. Here is a little lesson.. Evangelical Christians, Southern Baptists etc are the core behind the Republican party base and the firm foundation behind it, a Huge number of Americans consider themselves to evangelical Christians and even President Bush is to himself considered to be an evangelical Christian. How do you think President Bush got elected? It was surely not the gays in San Francisco or the bay area that got him reelected. If you are against Evangelicals .. you are against President Bush and a vast number of Republicans/Americans, so you are not fooling any informed person here.
'. I dont hate missionaries, I oppose the ones that are involved in proselytization activities. '
Again you are contradicting yourself, missionaries are involved in proselytization activities, because thats wheir job is..it is like a plumber fixing the pipes.
It does not matter. Indian government decides what job is legal. You may argue the same for terrorists. Their job is to kill people. Its their job, so we should allow them to do that?
'When they are on my turf, I consider my opinion (and the opinions of other fellow Indians) more important then that of a foreigner. '
This is not your TURF, this is FR - a american site.
I am not talking about this site. I am talking about my country (my turf). And if posting on an American site is reserved only for Americans then foreigners wont have been allowed to sign up or allowed to post. And nobody appointed you the mod yet.
'Congress ruled states where anti-conversion laws are put in place by non other than the Congress government'
Violence against missionaries happened under the national BJP govt and in States where BJP controls the Govt or is a major political force.
On the contrary most religious violence happened in the South which weren't under the BJP. Regardless, I still condemn those violence and attacks on Christians. But Christians Missionaries are not without their share of guilt. They are very much involved in illegal activities and of course proselytization. The foreign Christians Missionaries have given a bad name to Christianity and the innocent Indian Christians are facing the brunt of it.
"He is a foreigner working working for a Jesuit organization thats more than enough for me. "
Again your cluelessness is embarrassing, he is not a missionary period. The allegations were against missionaries and it is a lie as you cant prove it.
Foreign Christian Missionaries have been involved in terrorism in the North East and this has been reported by non other than BBC. Pedophilia isn't the only crime that foreign Christian Missionaries are known for.
'You haven't been here long enough to know what for or why I have criticized them. So keep your opinion to yourself. Please don't make gratuitous assumptions'
There are enough posts in this forum from you, to establish what you stand for.
Like which posts? Newbie. you haven't been here long enough to know how much I have foul mouthed the VHP and the RSS. A lot of guys on my pinglist can attest to that. So keep your opinion to yourself.
'Your own ideology of hatred for Hindus and those you call as "upper cast" is good enough for an American version of Sangh parivar.'
I am against people who practice casteism and discriminate against their fellow humans, in the same way I am against Slave owners.. the upper caste have enough baggage in their past to be criicised, anyway I only criticised those who are behind those political groups. I do not in anyway support groups involved in violence like you do.
You ranted against those who you addressed as "upper casts". Your sweeping generalized hatred for "upper casts" is very much evident for all to see. And the fact that you chose to call them by their casts is evident enough of you own practice of castism and ethnic sectarianism. As I said you are just one Christian fascist and a fringe group and you don't represent the majority opinion of your own country and neither that of FR as I well know since I have been longer then you to figure that (although FR has a few fanatical jerks like you who keep signing up from time to time to FReeload).
'But that constitutional right does not extend to foreigners or foreign missionaries. We are perfectly within our rights to restrict the freedom of foreign missionaries (especially those involved in active proselytization activities). We can not just harden their work environment but restrict them from operating altogether. In fact thats what we plan to do when we implement the anti-conversion laws. '
If they have valid visas to be in India, you have no right to threaten their safe working environment or try to harass them from doing their jobs, like i said this is a hallmark of a civilised society.
There are different visas for different purposes. In the past many foreign missionaries have been deported for proselytizing on tourist visas. Even when there are valid visas you have to abide by the laws of the land, some months ago it was posted on FR that a foreign missionary in India was arrested for converting people in Chattisgarh (a state where the Congress party put a ban on conversion). The hallmark of a civilised society is that their people abide by the laws of the land (especially when on foreign soil) and not act like a bunch of rogues. It gives a bad name to their country and culture. When abroad, Indians try to do their best to be on their best behaviour, it reflects on their country and culture. I don't believe you will see Indians doing things in foreign soil that is hurtful to the local sensitivities , even though it may be perfectly legal to do so.
'The Republican party headed by President Bush is a Christian conservative org not Christian Fascis'
A Christian fascist for supporting missionary activity? a clueless wonder like you has no idea really.
Stop running away from what you posted, you posted some hate filled messages against evangelicals - linked to some pretty nasty message site.
You hate Christians and their missionaries, that is the simple fact, dont run away from it.. in effect you hate Americans who consider themselves as evangelical christians.
When cornered with your particular ignorance on American politics and the Republican party support base, you run away and divert the topic. The Fact is you have a bin laden style hatred towards American conservatives.
Your hatred of Republicans is obvious, I dont believe for a moment you support them.
'On the contrary most religious violence happened in the South which weren't under the BJP.'
Proof? Gujarat, Orissa, Bihar are the some of the states involved and none of them are southern states.
'Regardless, I still condemn those violence and attacks on Christians. But Christians Missionaries are not without their share of guilt. They are very much involved in illegal activities and of course proselytization. The foreign Christians Missionaries have given a bad name to Christianity and the innocent Indian Christians are facing the brunt of it.'
This is again like a weasel cowardly Muslim style apologism when they say ' We condemn terrorism in all its forms that includes Israel attacks on palestinians', when some muslim nutcase blows himself up.
You either condemn the disgusting violence fully or you dont, your attempt to weasel out like a Muslim terror apologist in trying to excuse the violence is pathetic really and shows your true fascist roots.
'Foreign Christian Missionaries have been involved in terrorism in the North East and this has been reported by non other than BBC. Pedophilia isn't the only crime that foreign Christian Missionaries are known for.'
You provided zero evidence for paedophilic activity, it is obvious you have zero valid evidence for support for terrorism in the North east either. I am sure a Lying hate monger like you does not deal in facts or proof.
'. I am talking about my country (my turf). And if posting on an American site is reserved only for Americans then foreigners wont have been allowed to sign up or allowed to post. And nobody appointed you the mod yet.'
You said you dont care or want to hear what foreigners think, just reminded you this is FR.
'Like which posts? Newbie. you haven't been here long enough to know how much I have foul mouthed the VHP and the RSS.'
Looking at the past news threads you started and the links you gave to outlookindia message forums etc, is pretty much clear on what you stand for, You are a far right hindu nutcase jerk, it is pretty evident. I am not going to waste much effort on a useless activity to research on your posts since you started posting here. btw FR is an American site, if you have any self respect you should be aware of it.
'Even when there are valid visas you have to abide by the laws of the land, some months ago it was posted on FR that a foreign missionary in India was arrested for converting people in Chattisgarh (a state where the Congress party put a ban on conversion). '
The laws of the land have to be within reasonable human rights limits, even Taliban had its own laws does'nt mean they are right. Laws preventing Christians on legitimate legal visas going about their activities dont sound very decent and not even within its constitution limits.
What if Indian christian workers go abroad and get trained there and indulge in missionary activities when they are back in India, will you fascist fruitcakes still be against them and calling for their arrest etc ? It is evident you dont represent the majority opinion of the Indian society.