[TigersEye]

I profoundly disagree with the original premise of this thread. That is the bottom line.

Yes it is and personalities wouldn't become the topic if people didn't bring them into it. The original premise is just that; a premise. An attempt to analyse events on the ground and compare them with the goals of a large and influential organisation and see if there are any dots to connect.

Calls for reasoned discussion that are laced with invective, assumptions about personal character and motives and a flat refusal to acknowledge clear patterns of intent in the documents under discussion are disingenuous at best and intellectually dishonest at worst.

[pollyannaish]

Ah come on. Personalities are half the fun here. Just like in politics. We can all pretend, but that is still part of the equation. That's what makes Rush, Rush or Savage, Savage, or Rumsfeld, Rumsfeld.

So I figure if we all just lighten up a bit, and take ourselves less seriously it will make all the invectives and assumptions more fun.

Now knock it off. I've got to get some sleep. LOL.